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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by 9x39 »

vachina wrote: post #53
Apreche wrote: post #41

I’m always the first one to criticize companies for exploitative and evil business practices. Adobe is far from innocent. However, I will argue their subscription model itself is actually better than the previous model. The reality is that Adobe has a large team of engineers to create and maintain several high end professional digital art creation tools. They also frequently add new and excellent features to those to…

> than a huge cash infusion every other year and a trickle until your next release It’s a very good incentive to keep the entire company on their toes. Adobe will have to keep making new features for people to justify paying for a new version, instead of rehashing the same software, and then rent-seek with a subscription.

Some of the lower tier individual plans offer generous storage. There's value for having a copy with them vs doing everything yourself.

There's a bit of maintenance even if you just stand still. On the photo side, I notice them updating distortion correction for new lenses that come out, new camera body support, etc -- that's just a few examples of maintaining existing features, separate from the new features they rolled out. Whoever does that has bills to pay, and I think that's just a fact across the industry.

Someone has to get paid to build, maintain, and extend these things, and I don't know if that classifies as rent-seeking.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by Alupis »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #189
llm_nerd wrote: post #94

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Then don't follow or engage with their content? You understand that's your option, right? I actually enjoy Bsky as a replacement for Twitter mostly to keep on top of news (tech and otherwise, the tech often coming from the source), along with a small selection of high profile figures. So I follow those sources and venues. It is absolutely pathetic that a small mob attacked Adobe -- primarily a super aggressive anti-A…

If they can't take the heat from their customers, that's their problem. And you can always subscribe to Adobe's email list.

I think we can safely assume 99% of the outraged posters have never once owned a legal copy of, nor subscribed to Adobe products.

Outrage is a performance these days.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

gradientsrneat wrote: post #20

I've become so disenchanted with internet vitriol that it's surreal seeing these trolls attack a social media presence that's geniunely deserving. Still, I wouldn't invite any of these people to my house.

> Still, I wouldn't invite any of these people to my house.

I think this is one of the most profound statements I've read all year. Perfectly sums up all the quiet backlash by middle America against the trolls that have pulled the party into extremes.

It's not that they're bad people, they just get over excited and nobody wants to deal with the headache right now.

I see it at work in the lunch room conversations where someone starts spewing passive aggressive hate and it really kills the vibe.

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Post by scarab92 »

haswell wrote: post #243

As a photographer, I have a love/hate relationship with Adobe. I’m not a fan of many aspects of their business, but Lightroom is a (sometimes) excellent product. On the one hand, I don’t have much sympathy for Adobe. On the other hand, this whole situation is why I am not on social media these days with the exception of HN and niche subreddits. Even if much of the criticism they receive is warranted, the social media…

Online communities have an inherent death spiral dynamic, unless you actively moderate away toxic people.

These people drive away normal folks creating an ever more distilled community of unpleasant folks.

How many normal people are going to hang around places like reddit and bluesky that are seemingly now filled with hate and conspiracy theories.

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Post by jacobgkau »

jghn wrote: post #229
lyjackal wrote: post #209

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It's more the content creators who bear the brunt of toxic rage. Who you follow doesn't solve that problem

> the content creators This is IMO the problem. I don't use these sites to follow "content creators". For the most part I'm following normal people who happen to say things I find interesting.

I don't think they were saying it's a problem for people following content creators. It's more a problem for content creators, because they usually want the greatest reach possible, so they want to be on platforms that people use, which requires them to put up with the emotional swingings of the platforms' userbases.

If you want to say you don't care about having content creators on your platform, that's at least a coherent take. But you still have to think about the business models of the platforms that keep them around-- short of collecting payments from every ordinary user, there needs to be buy-in from someone wanting reach, whether that's corporate accounts, individual content creators, or someone else. And do you actually know all of those "normal people who happen to say things you find interesting" in real life, or did you find some of them online, i.e. they're basically influencers/content creators with you as an audience member?

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Post by karn97 »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #62
megaman821 wrote: post #14

As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.

I'm pretty left leaning and I don't like Bluesky. For me, it's too hostile and too much of an angry echo chamber. X is scattered wildly but I with muting I have been able to shape to get a more reasonable feed.

I got an extension to hide every blue check user, twitter is wonderful nkw

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Post by jacobgkau »

jghn wrote: post #144
spiderice wrote: post #142

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Unless you want to follow Adobe, who were just driven out by a mob of angry people

There are a lot of people I'd love to see content from on all of the platforms who aren't where I want them to be, for a variety of reasons. That's not really a great argument.

The argument is that this is now part of that list of reasons. Why acknowledge a problem but disregard one of the causes?

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Post by scarab92 »

rchaud wrote: post #252
_ea1k wrote: post #108

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Yeah, I'm surprised by how many here are responding with weird Adobe rants. They posted fairly innocuous stuff, were attacked, and ultimately chose to abandon the platform as a result. This sounds like a bigger indictment of the platform than anything to do with Adobe.

Since when did a damn website have to be a "platform"? Did anyone ask to chat with Time Warner on the public AOL chatrooms of the 90s? Were Digg users interested in hearing from Blockbuster in the 2000s? Adobe could try to offer virtual "office hours" with employees helping people learn to use the software, give something back to their users. Instead they immediately treated it like another marketing channel with a f…

Platforms which drive away normal users with unwarranted hate become increasingly concentrated with toxic people over time.

If bluesky don’t find a way to escape this spiral of driving away normal people and attracting toxic people it’s going to become a sort of left-wing 4chan.

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Post by CursedSilicon »

bolognafairy wrote: post #250
crest wrote: post #183

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> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's sad that it's funny that you think Adobe is motivated by ethical consideration.

A strawman argument so you can condescendingly and snarkily lecture someone? I can see you were among those mouthing off at Adobe on Bluesky.

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Post by ajxs »

teruakohatu wrote: post #165
ikanreed wrote: post #5

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Actually if you'll read the fine print, you're obligated to be friends.

And you cannot stop being friends until the end of the billing year, even if you are on a monthly plan.

I discovered this for myself while trying to cancel my plan. I told them I'd contact my state's consumer affairs regulator, and they instantly buckled. They ended up saving us both the trouble, and waived my 'cancellation fee'. For what it's worth, the previous time I tried to cancel their support offered me a 50% discount, which I accepted. Once that discount expired I was out. Adobe aren't earning their keep. Their costs are exorbitant when compared to the quality of the software. I mostly used Premiere (on Windows), which seems to get slower with each release. Media Encoder crashes constantly, and Photoshop is as slow as molasses.
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