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Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by fortran77 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #6
snickerbockers wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take your pick: * Difficult to navigate in a narrow underwater structure without crashing * Signal penetration, or lack thereof, in an iron hull at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean * Extremely niche technology that would have few practical uses in other contexts since most of the seabed does not suffer from the same complexities as a shipwreck * Can't see for shit underwater in general * We already know whats down th…

One does wonder precisely how many decades (or centuries) have to pass before "desecrating a mass grave" becomes "archaeology" (... "he ruminates while thinking about that fascinating Pompeii exhibit that toured through town one year...").

or the bog people of Ireland!

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by WalterBright »

snickerbockers wrote: post #3
WalterBright wrote: post #2

I'm curious why there aren't drone cameras that can explore the interior.

Take your pick: * Difficult to navigate in a narrow underwater structure without crashing * Signal penetration, or lack thereof, in an iron hull at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean * Extremely niche technology that would have few practical uses in other contexts since most of the seabed does not suffer from the same complexities as a shipwreck * Can't see for shit underwater in general * We already know whats down th…

> desecrating a mass grave under maritime law

That never made sense to me. Massive efforts are made to retrieve bodies from airplane crashes, sunk boats, collapsed buildings, etc. Why is recovery from some other disaster sites "desecration"?

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by shadowgovt »

snickerbockers wrote: post #9
shadowgovt wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does wonder precisely how many decades (or centuries) have to pass before "desecrating a mass grave" becomes "archaeology" (... "he ruminates while thinking about that fascinating Pompeii exhibit that toured through town one year...").

oh man, idk if you've ever been to the metropolitan museum of art in NYC, but they have dozens, maybe even hundreds , of dead bodies that were removed from their burial sites without consulting any next-of-kin (not that you'd be able to figure out who that is) on display in glass cases. But apparently its alright since nobody's left to argue on behalf of whatever pagan religion or cult they participated in.

An interesting counter-example is the Museum of Us in Balboa Park, San Diego. They have on display a Mexican mummy (if memory serves, naturally dessicated by a desert burial) that was smuggled across the border from Mexico to the US. At some point, the museum got in touch with Mexican authorities and agreed to repatriation. However, the museum they've worked with in Mexico doesn't really have use for the exhibit, so it's on indefinite loan to the Museum of Us with full understanding that this is a generous privilege provided by the museum in Mexico and the people of the nation.

... All in all, a quite excellent win-win negotiation to mutually-agreeable conclusion, it seems.

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by WalterBright »

shadowgovt wrote: post #4
WalterBright wrote: post #2

I'm curious why there aren't drone cameras that can explore the interior.

Undersea drones are a remarkably (and fascinatingly!) complex field. Ignoring all the mechanical challenges (airtight, watertight machine that can operate under crushing pressures and still has a way to separate delicate, saltwater-sensitive electronics and actuators from external-facing motive devices), the communications are also a challenge: radio does awful under water (VLF can go 100 feet, but now you're trying…

Since there are already submersibles and cameras that work at that depth, that cuts down the size of the problem space quite a bit.

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by woleium »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #25

The Titanic is on a perpetual news cycle. How every decade it somehow manages to make news is interesting.

i like the story about how it was found. The search was cover for a secret military operation, and they kinda actually found it by mistake after the mission:

https://spyscape.com/article/how-the-titanic-was-discovered-...

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by Teever »

shadowgovt wrote: post #4
WalterBright wrote: post #2

I'm curious why there aren't drone cameras that can explore the interior.

Undersea drones are a remarkably (and fascinatingly!) complex field. Ignoring all the mechanical challenges (airtight, watertight machine that can operate under crushing pressures and still has a way to separate delicate, saltwater-sensitive electronics and actuators from external-facing motive devices), the communications are also a challenge: radio does awful under water (VLF can go 100 feet, but now you're trying…

I think you'll find this youtube channel very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/@CPSdrone

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by WalterBright »

shadowgovt wrote: post #23
snickerbockers wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh man, idk if you've ever been to the metropolitan museum of art in NYC, but they have dozens, maybe even hundreds , of dead bodies that were removed from their burial sites without consulting any next-of-kin (not that you'd be able to figure out who that is) on display in glass cases. But apparently its alright since nobody's left to argue on behalf of whatever pagan religion or cult they participated in.

An interesting counter-example is the Museum of Us in Balboa Park, San Diego. They have on display a Mexican mummy (if memory serves, naturally dessicated by a desert burial) that was smuggled across the border from Mexico to the US. At some point, the museum got in touch with Mexican authorities and agreed to repatriation. However, the museum they've worked with in Mexico doesn't really have use for the exhibit, so…

In the Ye Olde Curiosity Shop in Seattle, there's a mummy of a cowboy on display that was found in the desert. He died of a gunshot wound. Nobody knows who he was.

Re: Titanic digital scan reveals new details of ship's final hours

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Post by refulgentis »

WalterBright wrote: post #22
snickerbockers wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take your pick: * Difficult to navigate in a narrow underwater structure without crashing * Signal penetration, or lack thereof, in an iron hull at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean * Extremely niche technology that would have few practical uses in other contexts since most of the seabed does not suffer from the same complexities as a shipwreck * Can't see for shit underwater in general * We already know whats down th…

> desecrating a mass grave under maritime law That never made sense to me. Massive efforts are made to retrieve bodies from airplane crashes, sunk boats, collapsed buildings, etc. Why is recovery from some other disaster sites "desecration"?

It's not, its an internet comment with a laymen throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks for conversation's sake.

i.e. Thought experiment: in their comment, s/maritime law/aviation law. In your comment s/airplane crashes/sunken ships. It's the same calorie-free conversation with just as much basis in reality.

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