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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bawolff »

alistairSH wrote: post #82
dang wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Espe…

The entire endeavor was orchestrated by Israel - that’s kinda the point here. Meta didn’t act on its own, as the edited title would imply.

Its meta's website. Its entirely in their control as to how they respond to a takedown request.

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Post by submeta »

megaman821 wrote: post #96
submeta wrote: post #84

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Since service is manditory for most Isrealies, that just mean the 100 Isrealies in a company of 74,000 employees and somehow that is a conspiracy?

Yeah, and in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?

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Post by janalsncm »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group, then in some sense you are asking the wrong question.

In other words, for people who assume rule enforcement is supposed to be fair, they see unfair enforcement as hypocrisy. However, if you just see enforcement as another tool to wield against enemies, hypocrisy is irrelevant. What matters is power. It’s my basketball, I make the rules.

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Post by Maken »

plsbenice34 wrote: post #46

Why is the word Israeli removed from the title? and Meta added? Seems like quite a politically-important modification

The problematic point here is that Facebook is more than willing to obliterate certain topics and political views when requested, not which ones or by whom orders in particular.

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Post by skyyler »

yoda97 wrote: post #222
HappyPanacea wrote: post #174

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It's best we stop here, this conversation will go nowhere.

One of the most difficult things you can do in a discussion like this.

But also, one of the most important.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

shihab wrote: post #119
NoTeslaThrow wrote: post #63

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Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

The NYT's Executive Editor Joe Kahn is the son of a billionaire who was on the board of lobby group CAMERA, a group devoted to pressuring US media to be more pro-Israel.

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Post by tdeck »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #61
mjevans wrote: post #35

I think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held. Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal. Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions. Some…

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> Israel basically said "we are going to war and we are not going to worry about who is and isn't a soldier anymore, they all dress the same"

When did Israel worry about this, when it comes to Palestinian civilians? This accusation from Israel supporters makes no sense because Israel has never cared about killing Palestinian civilians.

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Post by testing22321 »

DAGdug wrote: post #218

Just want to call out that the head of the trust and safety/integrity division, Guy Rosen, is an Israeli citizen with a strong pro-Israel bias. He’s also a person of questionable morals. From Wikipedia: “ Guy Rosen and Roi Tiger founded Onavo in 2010. In October 2013, Onavo was acquired by Facebook, which used Onavo's analytics platform to monitor competitors. This influenced Facebook to make various business decisio…

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

gs17 wrote: post #205
packetlost wrote: post #189

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He's married to a citizen which gives him an avenue towards legal residency and full citizenship. It doesn't matter anyways because the government admitted he was deported due to a administrative error and because they actively undermined and sidestepped the courts authority on several occasions, there is effectively nothing stopping them from doing it to full blown citizens. Honestly, it sounds like it's just a matt…

I agree it's bad, and yes, the government admitted they shouldn't have done it. But regardless, the question was about if it has happened to a citizen, not a person who maybe could be a citizen one day but is not, and you responded with them "doing just that" when they did not, in fact, "do just that". I'm not sure why there's a need to mislead when what's actually happening is bad enough.

It's not a need to mislead. You're grasping at a technicality. Citizenship is irrelevant if you're not given the chance to demonstrate it, which he wasn't, and again, he was actually deported because of the administrative error, not an on-purpose action, the correctness of which is irrelevant.

You're arguing whether a car wrapped around a tree has a bad alternator. Surely a fact useful to someone, somewhere, and worth knowing. But also certainly not the reason there's a problem.

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Post by tdeck »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #187
thot_experiment wrote: post #68

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this is grossly misunderstanding the situation in Gaza, a two state solution was never acceptable to Israel, Hamas as it exists today is a result of Netanyahu policy. Israel created the monster to justify their genocide.

Except Hamas took over Gaza in 2006/7 more or less in it's current form, before Netanyahu came back into power at 2009. Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch. Sure Netanyahu didn't exactly help to see the least, but saying he is somehow solely responsible for Hamas is pretty biased.

> executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza

Was this before or after Fatah lost an election and then refused to step down, instead staging a violent coup?

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