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Post by dang »

skyyler wrote: post #217
breppp wrote: post #211

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HRW is funded by donations. More than 75% of its financial support comes from North America. If you are alleging that Qatar is motivating the ideology of a human rights organization, I don't think that's true at all.

> You are lying

Please make your substantive points without attacking others. If someone else is wrong or has a bad argument, it's enough to post correct information or a better argument.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by yoda97 »

HappyPanacea wrote: post #174
yoda97 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ICC has never issued any arrest warrants for our elected/appointed government officials if that's what you are asking.

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It's best we stop here, this conversation will go nowhere.

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Post by georgemcbay »

miltonlost wrote: post #181
gs17 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were asking about it happening to citizens. From your article: > Mr Garcia, a Salvadoran

He's a permanent resident. Splitting hairs over citizenship when he was here legally massively misses the problem with blackholing people here legally.

> Splitting hairs over citizenship when he was here legally massively misses the problem with blackholing people here legally.

And on top of that this case should be horrifying to anyone regardless of whether they want to split hairs because:

A) they admitted he was deported in error

B) they are now effectively trying to argue there is no way to get him back

So even if you believe they would never knowingly do this to an actual citizen they are only one slightly different mistake from disappearing a citizen, whether or not it has happened yet.

Nevermind the fact that Trump himself has repeatedly floated the idea of deporting citizens: https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/10/trump-...

And then lastly and most importantly IMO it is wildly un-American to believe anyone (regardless of citizenship or legal status) is not entitled to due process.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by skyyler »

dang wrote: post #221
skyyler wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HRW is funded by donations. More than 75% of its financial support comes from North America. If you are alleging that Qatar is motivating the ideology of a human rights organization, I don't think that's true at all.

> You are lying Please make your substantive points without attacking others. If someone else is wrong or has a bad argument, it's enough to post correct information or a better argument. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I suppose I should have included a source for the 75% number.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090722190606/http://www.hrw.or...

Apologies for missing the mark there.

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Post by seydor »

Facebook's boss has repeatedly shown that he's an amoral hypocrite , most blatantly after Trumps election. I m not particularly sympathetic to palestinians but what's going on here. Its not just Israel, facebook has succumbed to authoritarian governments like Turkey in the past. The ubiquity of facebook and its monopolies are directly contradicting the spirit of democratic Constitutions worldwide. What's the point of guaranteeing freedom of expression when a single entity/person controls the attention of billions and billions of people.

I think we need a rethink of freedom of press laws in the age of international monopolies.

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Post by amalcon »

gs17 wrote: post #165
packetlost wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the executive branch getting ordered by SCOTUS to bring someone back for doing just that: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

They were asking about it happening to citizens. From your article: > Mr Garcia, a Salvadoran

Would his being a citizen have mattered to any of the procedures prior to his rendition? The government never made any effort to prove that he was here illegally (which is important since he wasn't), and he never had an opportunity to offer a defense.

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Post by candiddevmike »

ethbr1 wrote: post #199
uniqueuid wrote: post #67

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You have a point with democratic backsliding - but then your rights hinge on the impartiality of the judicial system (as a whole, and eventually, not necessarily individual decisions evidently). It’s pretty obvious that the legal systems even in flawed democracies is still vastly better than in those autocracies.

Checks and balances are a crucial feature of American democracy. It's almost as though the framers of the Constitution foresaw the possibility of the two elected branches of government (executive and legislative) being monopolized by the same group, at some point. And that the very flexibility of regular, open, direct elections also required a check to protect the fundamental rights of all people in the country.

They may have foresaw it but they did little if anything to prevent it. They lamented that political parties would probably be the downfall, and here we are...

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Post by zzrrt »

aeternum wrote: post #142
bcrosby95 wrote: post #130

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It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign co…

>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

> Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens

Feels like moving the goalposts. First they were going to clear out "illegals" by any means, now the line includes any non-citizens. Granted maybe you personally didn't say both though.

> Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

Is it meaningfully different from allowing citizens to "spread discontent"? Why not just start taking everybody's 1st amendment rights, by the same logic? I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure there's long precedent that non-citizens are granted most of the same rights, including freedom of speech and assembly.

If non-citizens are being supported, instructed, etc by their government in spreading discontent, there are probably laws like espionage for that; you don't have to take away everybody else's freedom to stop them.

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Post by cypherpunks01 »

jmyeet wrote: post #155

The role of the media (including social media) is to move in lockstep with US domestic and foreign policy. This has been known for some time [1]. It's never as simple as the White House calling up Mark Zuckerberg and saying "hey, silence X". It's about a series of filters that decides who is in the media and who has their thumb on the algorithmic scales, as per the famous Noam Chomsky Andrew Marr interview [2] ("What…

Hey this Chomsky guy seems pretty smart! Would be great to get him on mainstream media sometime.. hah
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