I feel like I would like this until winter. Then I'll wish we changed it again, but then in by summer I will change my mind again.
I prefer longer daylight in the evenings. Dark mornings don't bother me.
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#12They've flipped back and forth over the years, and the length has been tweaked as recently as 2007.
I think that what happens is everyone blames DST, but the real culprit is just that the days are shorter in the winter and there's not much we can do about it.
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#13For northern states it almost doesn't matter, the latitude completely dominates the length of the day.
However I am irked at 'noon' being so far from solar noon year round, that's about the only solid reason to go back to 'standard' time so that at least in the median of timezones that time is approximately the same.
Southern states? Just let people work 8-4 instead of 9-5. This problem is entirely manufactured by trying to change the ruler rather than the prescribed mark points on it.
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#14I'm the odd person out, I actually don't mind it. Yeah it's inconvenient for about a few days, but I prefer being awake during the sunlight of the winter.
After having lived in a country for a while that doesn't change its clocks, coming back to a country that still does has emphasised how annoying and archaic changing the clocks is. It also doesn't help that countries don't even change clocks on the same date.
We need to just stop it. After the first year everyone will forget it was even a thing.
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#15I'm the odd person out, I actually don't mind it. Yeah it's inconvenient for about a few days, but I prefer being awake during the sunlight of the winter.
Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?
A lot of people don't have the freedom to live their lives by scheduling around when the sun is up. Very large swathes of the population are tied to jobs with strict hours that they are required to be physically present somewhere (or at least online) and don't have a lot of room to flex from that. That limits their ability to take advantage of the longer summertime days by just "get up earlier" or "just leave work early" or what-not.
Me, I would love to see DST made permanent for that exact reason: I want the most available daylight after I can leave my job, so I have light for mountain biking, fishing, etc. But that's just me.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?
A lot of people don't have the freedom to live their lives by scheduling around when the sun is up. Very large swathes of the population are tied to jobs with strict hours that they are required to be physically present somewhere (or at least online) and don't have a lot of room to flex from that. That limits their ability to take advantage of the longer summertime days by just "get up earlier" or "just leave work ea…
Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? At that point will we offset by another hour, and so on ad infinitum?
I sometimes feel like arguments advocating for permanent DST think there’s something magical about the numbers “9” and “5” that made the 9-5 workday the standard, (rather than “three hours before midday” and “five hours after midday”), so that if we just change what times 9 and 5 refer to, things will work out…
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#17Lousy farmers... /s
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#18I feel like I would like this until winter. Then I'll wish we changed it again, but then in by summer I will change my mind again.
I prefer longer daylight in the evenings. Dark mornings don't bother me.
So you like summer more than winter. (Longer evenings could be had if jobs let out earlier in the day, or even better, gave employees the option to shift their time.)
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#19Lousy farmers... /s
I’m pretty sure the idea that DST is for farmers is just a legend. Farmers can wake up whenever they need to based on where the sun is; it shouldn’t matter to them at all what the civil time is.
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#20For northern states it almost doesn't matter, the latitude completely dominates the length of the day. However I am irked at 'noon' being so far from solar noon year round, that's about the only solid reason to go back to 'standard' time so that at least in the median of timezones that time is approximately the same. Southern states? Just let people work 8-4 instead of 9-5. This problem is entirely manufactured by tr…
I'm irked in general by the lack of attention given to solar time. If I ever get into Android hacking, it'll be so I can replace the system statusbar clock with a solar one.
I made a CLI utility that prints percent through the solar day/night that people might find useful: https://github.com/riley-martine/sundial