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Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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A quick take on the project. Software Architect: "Hello sir! As you know, it has taken millions to billions of dollars and years of time to develop your project. We are ready to launch! As you know, it will take a year to actually deploy it in production, during which point a bug or misconfiguration of the software during the transfer, installation, or activation stages would cause it to fail. If a failure happens, w…

Is that BMP thing based on something that actually happened?

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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It may even be "plebeian" to ask questions about the technical features of a data collection instrument named "Curiosity". I should have been an aristocrat instead of an engineer ; I could marvel at everything wrapped in the bliss of my ignorance. And for the record, I think it is amazing and wonderful to receive these images. I am so thankful for that. But, for a data collection instrument that cost $2.6 billion to…

The $2.6 billion price tag is not just for the rover, it includes R&D for the rover itself, employee salaries, Sky Crane & parachute R&D as well as the rocket to launch it, which cost over $100 million. Also included in the budget is funding needed for all of the science teams to do what they do over the next few years while the rover does experiments.

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Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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When the $100 camera fails in Mars you can't just replace it with another one. You can't take it to the repair shop either. You can't try to "shake it a bit". Hell, you can't even bang it on your knee: http://www.pechorin.com/m/2006/06/13/SONY_Cybershot_E6100_ER...

You know, I didn't claim to understand the reasons behind the technical limitations, but the reactions of some of you are puzzling to me. We can go on and on about familiarity considerations, and planning considerations, and instrumentation considerations, and scientific concerns, etc. It all sounds like excuses after a bit. Let's reformulate the question: Why not keep the same enclosure, the same lens assembly, the…

I think there's also the factor that there's no real advantage to the mission in a 20MP camera.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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See this discussion and article from earlier today: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4360502

Thanks! The reason seems to be: It's the way it was planned 10 years ago and we don't go back on planning on a project like this one.

This topic was also discussed here (regarding some previous missions): http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4356878

They use a black and white CMOS to accurately measure the actual light hitting the lens (which may include non visible spectrum. To get a colour image they need to use filters and take multiple photos, where as consumer cameras have a fixed grid (Bayer pattern) of one filter per each pixel. That probably won't give you such an accurate picture. Also when they're using filters they're not interested in reproducing true colour but rather highlighting a difference in materials.

The bandwidth constraints no doubt the reason they didn't change the sensor. Besides, when they combine three different images taken with filters to create one colour image it will essentially be 6MP anyway.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Several articles have mentioned bandwidth limitations of about 250 megabits per day, which also has to be used to send instrument data. But I haven't seen an explanation why bandwidth is so low -- is it lack of spectrum? Interference issues?

> But I haven't seen an explanation why bandwidth is so low -- is it lack of spectrum? Interference issues? Transmit power.

According to wikipedia article, the power source is designed to create 125 watts of electrical power from 2000 watts of thermal power. (It might look inefficient, but they are using the heat in all parts of the rover.)

For comparison, that might be how much your graphics card might be consuming while you are reading this article.

I guess that also means it is going to move very slow.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Several articles have mentioned bandwidth limitations of about 250 megabits per day, which also has to be used to send instrument data. But I haven't seen an explanation why bandwidth is so low -- is it lack of spectrum? Interference issues?

The bandwidth to the orbiters is up to 2 Mbps, but because they're in low orbit they're only in sight 8 minutes per day. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/communicationwithearth/...

A bit of clarification, I think the orbiters are in sight of Earth for most of the day.

It is Curiosity that is not in sight of the Orbiters, again because of their low orbit.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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post #31

A quick take on the project. Software Architect: "Hello sir! As you know, it has taken millions to billions of dollars and years of time to develop your project. We are ready to launch! As you know, it will take a year to actually deploy it in production, during which point a bug or misconfiguration of the software during the transfer, installation, or activation stages would cause it to fail. If a failure happens, w…

What's the relevance of this? Since they're bandwith limited, using a more inefficient compression scheme wouldn't gain them any extra transmitted bytes, only less actual data.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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A quick take on the project. Software Architect: "Hello sir! As you know, it has taken millions to billions of dollars and years of time to develop your project. We are ready to launch! As you know, it will take a year to actually deploy it in production, during which point a bug or misconfiguration of the software during the transfer, installation, or activation stages would cause it to fail. If a failure happens, w…

You are clueless, NASA uses lossless and lossy compression on its image data.
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