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Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

It's so plebian to complain about the image quality, especially when we haven't seen any full images from the rover's main camera yet.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

"... Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? ..."

Why is this marked down? It's a great question because the explanations are not obvious. The camera design relates specifically to the mission requirements & technology available ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_probe#Probe_imagers & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_probes_by_operational_...

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

" it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here"

It doesn't take that long for it to travel, the data transmission rate is not very fast, and Curiosity doesn't have constant access to the Mars-orbiting satellites that relay the data to Earth.

And besides that, its primary job is not taking pretty pictures.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

IIRC one of the cameras can take 720P images at 10FPS which is adequate since it's not going to be a very action packed video. They'll get to it eventually though. The slow uplink is an issue but having local storage available in orbit around Mars really does help a lot when they can use it. It's also important though the camera works in that environment so they can't pickup a nice camera from Amazon and duct tape it on. Just about everything they use is either custom or hold-overs from previous missions.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

If they had used a $100 dollar camera, it would already be broken, much less last 2 more years.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

When the $100 camera fails in Mars you can't just replace it with another one. You can't take it to the repair shop either. You can't try to "shake it a bit". Hell, you can't even bang it on your knee:

http://www.pechorin.com/m/2006/06/13/SONY_Cybershot_E6100_ER...

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this discussion and article from earlier today: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4360502

Thanks! The reason seems to be: It's the way it was planned 10 years ago and we don't go back on planning on a project like this one.

Several articles have mentioned bandwidth limitations of about 250 megabits per day, which also has to be used to send instrument data.

But I haven't seen an explanation why bandwidth is so low -- is it lack of spectrum? Interference issues?

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Intellectually stimulating, but after the first few pictures... well, there's nothing to see there, just sand and rocks. The most visually interesting thing on this panorama image is the rover itself, so I don't mind the relatively low quality. Now I'm waiting for some non-visual data. Curiosity has a lot of sensors besides the cameras.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

When the $100 camera fails in Mars you can't just replace it with another one. You can't take it to the repair shop either. You can't try to "shake it a bit". Hell, you can't even bang it on your knee: http://www.pechorin.com/m/2006/06/13/SONY_Cybershot_E6100_ER...

You know, I didn't claim to understand the reasons behind the technical limitations, but the reactions of some of you are puzzling to me.

We can go on and on about familiarity considerations, and planning considerations, and instrumentation considerations, and scientific concerns, etc. It all sounds like excuses after a bit.

Let's reformulate the question: Why not keep the same enclosure, the same lens assembly, the same mechanical parts and simply swap the 2MP sensor for a 20MP sensor?

Further, let's say you are really not sure about that spanking new 20MP sensor, because it is new, you are not familiar with it, and it was not part of the plan drafted 10 years ago, why not add 1 extra camera with a 20MP sensor? If it blows up during the trip or during landing, too bad, it's lost. If it makes it down there safe and sound, you can collect a 10-minute HD sequence that you can stream back to earth over the next 2 years, during down-times, as a very low priority task.

Potential benefit: You offer the world the first and a truly spectacular HD film shot on Mars, in all its splendor, and you inspire a new generation of world explorers, who will ultimately drive man to take another small step, but a giant one for mankind.

Clearly, if that's the best we can do for something as trivial as shooting a video up there, I cannot fathom a man setting foot on Mars in my lifetime. That may be normal, but it saddens me somehow.

Re: Mars 360-degree panoramic view from Curiosity

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post #11

Can someone explain how/why a $2.6 billion piece of equipment appears to have cameras that can't match a $100 digital camera? I know it takes a long time for data to travel from there to here, but I am sure a lot of people wouldn't mind waiting for 1080p, full-color video footage of the red planet. Instead, we get these 1-megapixel, black-and-white shots that need to be stitched together to create a half decent panor…

It's so plebian to complain about the image quality, especially when we haven't seen any full images from the rover's main camera yet.

It may even be "plebeian" to ask questions about the technical features of a data collection instrument named "Curiosity". I should have been an aristocrat instead of an engineer ; I could marvel at everything wrapped in the bliss of my ignorance.

And for the record, I think it is amazing and wonderful to receive these images. I am so thankful for that. But, for a data collection instrument that cost $2.6 billion to build, I cannot conceal my very personal feeling that an opportunity was missed.

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