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Post by canucker2016 »

lxgr wrote: post #119
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

Tangentially related, but very important to me and hopefully helpful to others here: I have sleep apnea. So do most of the men in my family. Though I am overweight, I haven't always been, but I have always had the condition, as have they. For those who don't know, sleep apnea is a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep, wake up slightly to fix that and start breathing again, and then fall back asleep. It so…

Do you know if fitness trackers with integrated pulse oximeters can detect sleep apnea? My Apple Watch has an oximeter (I bought it before that feature was pulled in the US), and there's a "sleep apnea notifications" section in the "Health" app, but I'm not sure if the absence of notifications implies an absence of a problem. Would sleep apnea always be visible as a lower blood oxygen level when sleeping, or can ther…

While the Oura ring won't alert the user to sleep apnea, one person with an Oura ring looked at the accumulated data from their Oura ring and could see the signs of sleep apnea - https://www.tomsguide.com/features/my-oura-ring-helped-me-di...

Ringconn, similar to Oura without the compulsory subscription, claims to be able to detect sleep apnea with 90.7% accuracy. see https://ringconn.com/blogs/news/understanding-sleep-apnea-an...

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

Tangentially related, but very important to me and hopefully helpful to others here: I have sleep apnea. So do most of the men in my family. Though I am overweight, I haven't always been, but I have always had the condition, as have they. For those who don't know, sleep apnea is a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep, wake up slightly to fix that and start breathing again, and then fall back asleep. It so…

CPAP is a very American solution, pay money and treat the symptom with minimal effort but not the underlying cause.

The vast majority of cases of sleep apnea can be cured with weight loss, exercise, nasal breathing exercises..

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Post by raydev »

proee wrote: post #79

Running improved my sleep quality dramatically. Now the problem is, that if I take a day off running, my sleeping suffers. Curious if people that do weight lifting (which I'm considering) get great sleeps? Maybe I can alternate between cardio and weight lifting each day?

I used to run long distance. I'd have to go for 15+km in a single session to get any noticeable impact on sleep and it wasn't huge.

Weightlifting on the other hand... a solid hour of going heavy will put me out like a baby every time.

I'm very curious why. Am I just built for long distance running and NOT for building muscle?

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Post by dehrmann »

lxgr wrote: post #119
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

Tangentially related, but very important to me and hopefully helpful to others here: I have sleep apnea. So do most of the men in my family. Though I am overweight, I haven't always been, but I have always had the condition, as have they. For those who don't know, sleep apnea is a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep, wake up slightly to fix that and start breathing again, and then fall back asleep. It so…

Do you know if fitness trackers with integrated pulse oximeters can detect sleep apnea? My Apple Watch has an oximeter (I bought it before that feature was pulled in the US), and there's a "sleep apnea notifications" section in the "Health" app, but I'm not sure if the absence of notifications implies an absence of a problem. Would sleep apnea always be visible as a lower blood oxygen level when sleeping, or can ther…

Newer Apple Watches are able to detect signs consistent with sleep apnea (which is legally distinct from actually diagnosing it).

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Post by SaintGhurka »

astura wrote: post #115
iknowSFR wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re supplementing probiotics, there is some research about inulin to talk through with your doctor. There’s a chance that inulin is carcinogenic even at lower doses. A lower dosage might be 4g and a typical probiotic is 200g. Reasons to be wary of this research, including: -The rodent-to-human study element -causation v correlation -sample size Reasons to take this research seriously: -Probiotic supplements are…

This is a strange comment, inulin is not a probiotic, it's a soluble dietary fiber. It's at best considered a prebiotic. Probiotics are microorganisms.

Strange or not, it's correct.

Culturelle contains inulin. That's the brand that takes up most of the space at my local CVS and Walgreens. Also the CVS-brand knockoff contains inulin.

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Post by dehrmann »

0xEF wrote: post #85
genter wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, except we also have digestive issues. I'm really hoping a paleo diet and good probiotics will save me. It's already helped me a lot. I'll let you know in 40 years if it prevents me from getting Alzheimer's.

[x] Anxiety [x] Sleep apnea [x] Digestive issues [x] Former psychonaut [x] Highly stressed pretty much always due to work I can only hope that whatever brand of dementia I end up with is something akin to Mr Toad's Wild Ride, or whatever. I'd be happy just to go out either laughing or well-rested.

> something akin to Mr Toad's Wild Ride

You know the plot of that ride, right?

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Post by ivraatiems »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #142
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

Tangentially related, but very important to me and hopefully helpful to others here: I have sleep apnea. So do most of the men in my family. Though I am overweight, I haven't always been, but I have always had the condition, as have they. For those who don't know, sleep apnea is a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep, wake up slightly to fix that and start breathing again, and then fall back asleep. It so…

CPAP is a very American solution, pay money and treat the symptom with minimal effort but not the underlying cause. The vast majority of cases of sleep apnea can be cured with weight loss, exercise, nasal breathing exercises..

That is simply not true. Anecdotally, three people in my family including myself have sleep apnea. I am the only overweight one. The others are a normal or even low BMI. Also, I had sleep apnea when I wasn't overweight.

Studies show that non-overweight or obese people with sleep apnea are extremely common and make up between 20 and 40% of all apnea sufferers:

1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5181619/

2. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41440-024-01669-9

3. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9130173/#:~:text=Ap...

4. https://ejo.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s43163-024-006...

5. https://home.liebertpub.com/publications/respiratory-care/68...

"Nasal breathing exercises" cannot overcome physiology and cannot help you if you are sleeping and have no conscious control over your muscles. Apnea is caused by physiology and while it can be made worse by weight, weight loss alone does not fix it. It may bring some people's apneas down to an acceptable level, but that is not the case for all or even most patients.

Your advice is roughly the same as telling people to skip their flu or COVID shots and hope their diet and exercise keeps them from getting sick. It's not that diet and exercise are bad for you, but they aren't the same as an exact treatment for the problem you have.

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Post by torial »

lxgr wrote: post #119
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

Tangentially related, but very important to me and hopefully helpful to others here: I have sleep apnea. So do most of the men in my family. Though I am overweight, I haven't always been, but I have always had the condition, as have they. For those who don't know, sleep apnea is a condition where you stop breathing in your sleep, wake up slightly to fix that and start breathing again, and then fall back asleep. It so…

Do you know if fitness trackers with integrated pulse oximeters can detect sleep apnea? My Apple Watch has an oximeter (I bought it before that feature was pulled in the US), and there's a "sleep apnea notifications" section in the "Health" app, but I'm not sure if the absence of notifications implies an absence of a problem. Would sleep apnea always be visible as a lower blood oxygen level when sleeping, or can ther…

RingConn Gen 2 has built-in Apnea monitoring -- so far I am loving it. It provides a picture of my sleep apnea when I'm not using the CPAP (because the CPAP can be uncomfortable after a while).

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Post by astura »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #145
astura wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a strange comment, inulin is not a probiotic, it's a soluble dietary fiber. It's at best considered a prebiotic. Probiotics are microorganisms.

Strange or not, it's correct. Culturelle contains inulin. That's the brand that takes up most of the space at my local CVS and Walgreens. Also the CVS-brand knockoff contains inulin.

...in miniscule amounts. Culturelle has 200mg inulin.

From the case study in the GP

>The only noted lifestyle change between colonoscopies was the initiation of 4 grams of agave inulin powder daily in his morning beverage for the last 2 years of that seven-year period.

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Post by privacyking »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #68

There’s this one guy in Vietnam who literally doesn’t sleep ever. https://www.news18.com/amp/buzz/meet-80-year-old-vietnamese-... Google it. There’s a lot about him. It’s like the one thing that makes zero sense in all this research about sleep.

He might have some mutation that means all this housekeeping happens all the time I guess.
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