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Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by hinkley »

throw4847285 wrote: post #45
xxr wrote: post #44

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The trick they use to handle the transition from Russian to English dialogue is so cool.

It's so cool that John McTiernan did it again in The 13th Warrior. A worse movie (not as bad as people say), but I think that one scene is extraordinary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVURiaVgG8

13th Warrior usually makes the top list of any “movies that Rotten Tomatoes has done dirty”.

It depends I think on whether the Big Trouble in Little China fans are still asleep.

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by hinkley »

beloch wrote: post #8

It's interesting that ILM went with a smoke chamber to shoot the underwater scenes in this film. It was probably a lot easier than shooting underwater and less likely to screw up the models. Some of the time this method looks fantastic but, at other times, it looks like a model in a room full of smoke. I've always found the underwater model scenes shot for Das Boot[1] to be more convincing. [1] https://theasc.com/art…

Adhesion and cohesion always fuck up scenes that combine scale models and water. Splashes always look very wrong, and in the case of a submersible bubbles could be a problem. Smoke chamber makes sense.

Although in the days since “O Brother Where Art Thou?”, when they added dust-yellow color to the entire movie in post, maybe there are other ways now, if you didn’t want to go entirely to CGI.

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by tptacek »

hinkley wrote: post #81
throw4847285 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so cool that John McTiernan did it again in The 13th Warrior. A worse movie (not as bad as people say), but I think that one scene is extraordinary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVURiaVgG8

13th Warrior usually makes the top list of any “movies that Rotten Tomatoes has done dirty”. It depends I think on whether the Big Trouble in Little China fans are still asleep.

Rotten Tomatoes scores Big Trouble in Little China favorably, as it obviously should.

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by dylan604 »

gwbennett wrote: post #73
jayrot wrote: post #61

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>Actor Scott Glenn, who plays the Captain of Dallas, modeled his character after our Captain, Tom Fargo. Terrific character. I just love the competency and leadership. Hopefully your Cpt. Fargo was just as good. My favorite exchange from the movie is when Jonesy brings his report to the captain. He's aware of how crazy this theory sounds, especially when his very serious and hard-to-read captain rephrases it back to…

Capt Tom Fargo was better. As you learn from that YouTube video, he went on to run 7th Fleet as an Admiral. The stuff we did while he was CO was important in the Cold War for the security of the US.

So did Mancuso if you followed the books.

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by sorokod »

psunavy03 wrote: post #77
hylaride wrote: post #74

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> You can study histories and interviews from the late Cold War about just how much of a bloodbath the NATO militaries expected a Russian invasion of West Germany to be. * With the full benefit of hindsight* , most experts that I have read seem to agree that (ignoring nuclear weapons and staying completely conventional) the Russians were as a whole stronger on land in Europe than the west up until the mid-1970s, when…

> There are records showing the shock that Soviet military experts had at the effectiveness of the western stealth and jamming equipment that was used in the 1991 Gulf War (that was waged right at the tail end of the USSR's existence). > There are mixed signals in the archives we have access to about how well (or more accurately reliable) a good chunk of the Warsaw Pact would have been if the cold war turned hot. Are…

You may be interested in operation Mole Cricket 19 about ten years earlier.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F33h9-oUfDU&t=2s&pp=2AECkAIB

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by dylan604 »

jayrot wrote: post #61
gwbennett wrote: post #35

Great read on how ILM made the shots. As a crew member on the USS Salt Lake City (SSN-716), we took many of the cast and crew out to sea for 24 hours before they made the movie to get a feel for what sub-life was like before they made the movie. All the cast and crew were great, and I think it made the movie better. Actor Scott Glenn, who plays the Captain of Dallas, modeled his character after our Captain, Tom Fargo…

>Actor Scott Glenn, who plays the Captain of Dallas, modeled his character after our Captain, Tom Fargo. Terrific character. I just love the competency and leadership. Hopefully your Cpt. Fargo was just as good. My favorite exchange from the movie is when Jonesy brings his report to the captain. He's aware of how crazy this theory sounds, especially when his very serious and hard-to-read captain rephrases it back to…

I use the "runs home to mama" line a lot when describing an unexpected result from a black box we've integrated into our workflows.

I love the "You sold me" line too, as it shows how Mancuso is willing to listen to his men even when they have such an out of the box idea. It also helps make Mancuso listening to Jack's port/starboard Crazy Ivan maneuver. He's kind of already bought into Jack's idea by that point anyways. Otherwise, he'd already had Jack into quarters somewhere

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by dylan604 »

stult wrote: post #54
tptacek wrote: post #37

Just a quick note that this film really holds up, like weirdly well given its subject and vintage. If you haven't watched it in a long time, add it to your list.

Similarly the Clancy book Red Storm Rising really holds up well, and weirdly may be one of the best primers on Russian military practices, culture, and capabilities as the force was constituted during the first year of their full scale invasion of Ukraine.

RSR is one of my favorite Clancy books, and I return to it quite often. It was the first book I read in my teens with such a descriptive telling of what an attack on an air base could be like. How the attack allowed for the runways still able to be used with "minor" repairs and then reused by the over taking forces. Mike's journey is probably my favorite plot line.

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by dylan604 »

psunavy03 wrote: post #58
stult wrote: post #54

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Similarly the Clancy book Red Storm Rising really holds up well, and weirdly may be one of the best primers on Russian military practices, culture, and capabilities as the force was constituted during the first year of their full scale invasion of Ukraine.

Arguably RSR vis a vis Ukraine in 2022 is a great primer on just how much the Russian military had decayed from their mid-80s Soviet peak. You can study histories and interviews from the late Cold War about just how much of a bloodbath the NATO militaries expected a Russian invasion of West Germany to be. The USAF A-10 fleet was expected to have been wiped out in approximately 2-3 weeks of fighting based on expected…

you also need to understand that the Ukrainians...

really really do not want to be part of Russia again. that's what I take away from it. they like being independent and are willing to fight this hard to stay that way. I can only imagine their utter disappointment with the outcome of the US election.

but to your point, it does say a whole helluva lot about the inabilities of the Russians too. The fact they are using NK troops and now reports of Chinese soldiers too says just as much. Like, is Russia reserving its soliders on the Western front for NATO reasons rather than just using everything against Ukraine? Or are they using the why fight with your own soldiers when you can use someone else's like why fund your own startup when you can use someone else's money

Re: Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)

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Post by computerdork »

psunavy03 wrote: post #68
RajT88 wrote: post #65

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> The bravery is there, but they just don't have the same ability to integrate the details at scale such as fires, logistics, and large-scale joint operations, because they're still trying to shake off their Soviet past. Welllll. I saw posted here last week (cannot find it now), that the US helped them with the logistics and recon a lot more than was previously known. Like, "Shoot your artillery here at this time, an…

There are two things a NATO/Western military has that the Ukrainians don't fully have yet: the technology and assets you're talking about, but also officers and noncoms who've been brought up in the type of warfighting culture that can best make use of it. There's a great article from the start of the war written by a retired Army three-star here: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-her... The re…

That was a really interesting article. It does show though why Ukraine's relatively small army is able to punch above its weight class vs the more poorly train and led Russians. Was a great read:)
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