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Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Post by hluska »

jongjong wrote: post #11

It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an…

Many “western” governments have formed genuine ideological movements. I understand this may be difficult, but what are you actually talking about?

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

486sx33 wrote: post #17
jongjong wrote: post #11

It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an…

Precisely why China needs to be a whole lot less important to the world. Freedom and personal liberty actually are ideologies. They don’t encompass every ideology that doesn’t make sense at all. I’d say CCP and many other governments like Russia and Ukraine are FAR more corrupt than the US. Your argument really doesn’t make sense.

Dude the US is insanely corrupt, it's just that a lot of the corruption is called "lobbying" and "consulting." Sometimes also certain forms of "legal counsel." It's whitewashed and normalized.

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Post by transcriptase »

curt15 wrote: post #7

>In remarks to a hearing convened by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Wynn-Williams alleged that Meta executives worked vigorously to “win favor” with leaders in Beijing to build an $18 billion business in China. Has Hawley demonstrated similar interest about Elon's business dealings in China? Elon owes much of his net worth to the CCP's Shanghai factory.

What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nearly every CEO at a company making physical products from 1990 onward owes much of their net worth to Chinese factories.

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Post by [deleted] »

jongjong wrote: post #11

It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an…

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Post by walleeee »

486sx33 wrote: post #17
jongjong wrote: post #11

It's interesting to think about the way in which the Chinese government operates compared to the government of other countries like the US. The US government was conceived as merely a public utility to fund public works; there was no single ideological basis beyond that. Freedom isn't a "single" ideology because it encapsulates all possible ideologies. The ideology rested with the people themselves to implement on an…

Precisely why China needs to be a whole lot less important to the world. Freedom and personal liberty actually are ideologies. They don’t encompass every ideology that doesn’t make sense at all. I’d say CCP and many other governments like Russia and Ukraine are FAR more corrupt than the US. Your argument really doesn’t make sense.

> Freedom and personal liberty actually are ideologies.

Feyerabend in particular would likely differ, and say instead that freedom and liberty are what emerge when mature adults democratically order their societies, irrespective (or in spite) of any ideologies used to bind them

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Post by cma »

transcriptase wrote: post #23
curt15 wrote: post #7

>In remarks to a hearing convened by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Wynn-Williams alleged that Meta executives worked vigorously to “win favor” with leaders in Beijing to build an $18 billion business in China. Has Hawley demonstrated similar interest about Elon's business dealings in China? Elon owes much of his net worth to the CCP's Shanghai factory.

What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nearly every CEO at a company making physical products from 1990 onward owes much of their net worth to Chinese factories.

I think Musk got one of the biggest concessions ever without any precedent, something like 100% ownership where no other car plant ever got that before.

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Post by neilv »

neilv wrote: post #14

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At least 4 downvotes, no explanation. What's the problem?

I'm curious what the situation is: did the person speak up internally, were they disempowered, did they go along with it but then have a change of heart at some point, etc.?

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Post by stackskipton »

jvanderbot wrote: post #13
Aurornis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

Exactly what legal proceedings though? That's the point.

Congressional Subpoenas are at same level as Court Subpoena. So if Congress subpoenaed her documents, she could (willingly) turn them over and not be in breach of her NDA.

Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Post by stackskipton »

Aurornis wrote: post #9
bbatsell wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly blocked by NDA; that is her inviting Congress to issue a subpoena so she has legal cover.

A corporate NDA doesn't block someone from cooperating with legal proceedings or submitting evidence to a hearing.

You can end up in legal quandary where you fight over exactly what NDA can and cannot cover. Congressional Subpoena would put her on much firmer legal standing. My guess is her lawyers recommended this strategy.

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Post by Alive-in-2025 »

goldchainposse wrote: post #10

> They have threatened her with $50,000 in punitive damages every time she mentions Facebook in public … even if the statements she is making are true,” he said. Unless Congress asks for the testimony, which is probably why Meta tried to stop the hearing.

But infinitely rich companies can of course bankrupt any ordinary human by suing them over and over again. They already look bad, so it doesn't make them look worse. Why wouldn't they just keep suing her?
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