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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by mvc »

ajb wrote: post #233
pjc50 wrote: post #102

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> US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now The thing is .. there's a point here, but it's not at all tied in with physical products. People are obsessed with one side of the ledger while refusing to see the other. Most of the stuff the UK is struggling with (transport, healthcare, energy) are "state capacity" issues. Things where the state is unavoidably involved and having better, more decisive lead…

There are two parts to the fishing thing. From a pure economic perspective, fishing is insignificant. But within living memory obtaining food was a national security issue for the UK (during world war II). In a world in which states look not to grow their economy, but to harm others - and guess what, that's where we just arrived - not all industries can be considered purely on their revenue. Man cannot live on warham…

How much of a fish industry will remain when the North Sea is a battleground?

Is there any fishing going on in the Black Sea at the moment? (genuine question)

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Post by wongarsu »

flir wrote: post #309
eyko wrote: post #258

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It's also worth considering that certain industries (fisheries and agriculture for instance) are subsidised. It's in our national interest to maintain production capacity, so profits are the least of our concerns. Both the UK and the EU's agricultural sectors are heavily subsidised mainly for this reason. It's cheaper to import than to produce locally, especially with our environmental standards and targets, but we n…

While not disagreeing with you, I don't think we've done a great job of maintaining fisheries.

Also, continuing overfishing is a terrible long-term strategy. Sure, we will have the boats, fishermen and infrastructure around fishing, but that's of no help if the fish are gone.

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Post by Clubber »

grayhatter wrote: post #334
Clubber wrote: post #251

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>Under the current situation China is LESS likely to invade Taiwan BECAUSE they rely on selling stuff to the USA. I mean the took over Hong Kong already. I think that is wishful thinking.

Wasn't it that they installed sympathetic politicians, which then led to the UK willingly turning over control (despite the local protests). Calling that a takeover seems misleading to me. Ahh somewhat willingly, the lease to the land expired. So seemingly no choice was given.

They broke the agreement for the handover by about 25 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

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Post by Symbiote »

matt-p wrote: post #296
logifail wrote: post #267

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> Completely barking mad Well, we'll see that and raise you the European Parliament in Strasbourg. The EU could get rid of this idiocy overnight, except - well - France. (I have nothing against the French, I've visited France dozens of times and have many friends there.) "Once a month the European Parliament moves from Brussels to Strasbourg at a cost of £150m a year as lorries transport paperwork."[0] "Top EU offici…

Pretty sure you could engineer France leaving the EU by just tweaking fishing quotas, farming subsidy, naming on sparkling wine or removing (as you mention) strasbourg. They will start a riot and then when you don't give in, they'll be gone. I'm not saying it's what happened to the UK, but we asked for what we needed, got turned down and then left.

What did the UK ask of the EU before Brexit?

All I remember was Cameron asking to expel jobless immigrants, which confused the EU as Britain was already allowed to do that.

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philjohn wrote: post #365
callamdelaney wrote: post #288

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Except since no parliament can bind a future parliament it won't be worth the paper it's written on. The loudest voices calling for a scrap are exactly the people you DON'T want deciding what human rights you'll be "allowed". And incitement to violence is, and always should be, unprotected speech - your silly "two tier kier" is informing me greatly that you're on the "they locked them up for hurty words!" bandwagon.

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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by Symbiote »

stronglikedan wrote: post #303
rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

> Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. The vast majority of us were over that decades ago. Please catch up for the sake of all humanity.

Yesterday your vice president referred to the Chinese as "peasants".

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Post by peterfirefly »

lostlogin wrote: post #264
slg wrote: post #121

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It's just a sales tax. I don't know why people opposing tariffs never talk about them in this manner because sales taxes are something people innately understand if they have spent any time in the US and "tariffs" clearly aren't as well understood.

> sales taxes are something people innately understand if they have spent any time in the US The way they are done in the US is maddening. You go to the counter and find the price is higher than the tag price by some random amount. It seems to vary wherever you go and depend on what you buy. A tariff might actually be better.

There's actually a really good argument in favour of that -- and in favour of paying income tax not as a direct tax (withheld from wages) but with a delay.

It makes the taxes visible and painful and they will therefore (potentially) not rise as fast or as much.

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Post by jraby3 »

boznz wrote: post #380
missedthecue wrote: post #338

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China will probably be the only country that solves this.

..Any country can solve it, just incentivise families. Simple things like ensuring young people have access to affordable housing and daycare. If I was at the start of my career ladder in a major urban area now, having a family would be close to the bottom of my priority list. Its not rocket science.

This isn't true and has been tried in the Nordic countries.

This is an outstanding article on the subject: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/03/03/the-population...

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Post by encoderer »

rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

Do they not just steal our IP and then industrialize it better than us, partly because of their current demographics (which are rapidly changing), partly because of lax environmental standards, and partly because they need economic growth to support their oppressive regime?
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