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Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

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Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

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I _love_ Strong Towns but I want to push back against this article. Strong Towns is a leading voice on YIMBY, but this is reminiscent of the common arguments I hear from NIMBY folks..."they shouldn't be allowed to build here because ____" is definitionally NIMBY. While I don't love Dollar General or shop there very often, I have a hard time understanding why it's a "swindle." The reason people shop there is because t…

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Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#12

The tension this article writes about can be expressed to a tech audience as a compression problem. Dollar General wins out on low prices - essentially compressing their value prop onto a single dimension, prices. They won't do the Strong Towns things like sponsor a park or thoughtfully curate what they sell to fit community needs. There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please". The value o…

> There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please".

Yes, there is. They absolutely manage stock based on demand, as does every other chain store.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#13

> We don't want a corporate, faceless box store coming in with no stake in our community. Who is “we?” If the community wants Washington General, then they’ll shop there. If they want the lowest possible prices, they’ll shop at Dollar General. What it sounds like is that Washington General wants effectively a tariff on Dollar General so people won’t shop there. Because if it’s strictly “what’s best for the community,…

Dollar General is a mega corporation that can operate on an entirely different level than local stores. They pay their workers less and the profits go out of state. On a store-by-store basis though, Dollar general is a fragile establishment, management will not hesitate to abandon the location if they are spending too much money propping up the store. And the overhead for these stores is higher than it needs to be - they build way larger stores and parking lots than they actually need. The local dry goods store has grown only to the size that it requires, and those profits go towards its own survival. It provides cultural value, economic opportunities, and is more likely to improve the lives of people living nearby.

Strong towns (who made the article) is a grassroots nonprofit that finds concrete ways for US cities to curb the effects of urban sprawl. One of those ways is to acknowledge that inviting huge commercial ventures into your small local economy is like bringing a giant mammal to roam free on a small island nation. It's probably going to affect the ecosystem in ways that don't suit the environment.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#14

I _love_ Strong Towns but I want to push back against this article. Strong Towns is a leading voice on YIMBY, but this is reminiscent of the common arguments I hear from NIMBY folks..."they shouldn't be allowed to build here because ____" is definitionally NIMBY. While I don't love Dollar General or shop there very often, I have a hard time understanding why it's a "swindle." The reason people shop there is because t…

>Strong Towns is a leading voice on YIMBY, but this is reminiscent of the common arguments I hear from NIMBY folks..."they shouldn't be allowed to build here because ____" is definitionally NIMBY.

I've come to the realization that strong towns are basically just moderate NIMBYs.

On a scale from 65yo California suburbanite to Ron Paul they're basically the suburbanite but they're but they're self aware enough to realize if they push too far, ask too much, destroy too much wealth, that they'll bring the whole house of cards crashing down.

Ultimately I think it's best to just shitcan all pretense of local zoning, let the states regulate the stuff they do (i.e. hazmat processing and junkyards and the other truly unsightly things that NIMBYs always pretend they are the only line of defense from) and let the developers and the businesses and residents deal with the opportunities and the fallout that arises. Sure, there will be some losers but everyone will lose a heck of a lot less than they do with the status quo wherein only big interests can actually do much of anything.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

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My family lived in a smallish town for a while, and I've gotta say that chain stores were a godsend. We did business with local shops whenever we could, but the stock variety was inherently much smaller than we found at Target (or even Dollar General). Much as we would have preferred to be able to pay our neighbor $1.50 for an item, it was awfully nice to find nicer items for $1 at the chain place.

Don't get me started at the local groceries which were associated with the large employer in town, a giant grocery wholesaler. I definitely want to support my neighbors, but I don't want to buy Local Brand Ketchup. I want Heinz, darnit.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#16

I _love_ Strong Towns but I want to push back against this article. Strong Towns is a leading voice on YIMBY, but this is reminiscent of the common arguments I hear from NIMBY folks..."they shouldn't be allowed to build here because ____" is definitionally NIMBY. While I don't love Dollar General or shop there very often, I have a hard time understanding why it's a "swindle." The reason people shop there is because t…

I've noticed DG stocks oddball sizes of packaged foods I've never seen anywhere else, not even at gas station convenience stores. It's usually their "large" size, and significantly smaller than the "large" size at other stores.

Next time I'm in there I'll check the unit price on those. I'm betting it's pretty bad, because usually if a business is doing anything distinctive like that, it's to screw people.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#17

The tension this article writes about can be expressed to a tech audience as a compression problem. Dollar General wins out on low prices - essentially compressing their value prop onto a single dimension, prices. They won't do the Strong Towns things like sponsor a park or thoughtfully curate what they sell to fit community needs. There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please". The value o…

> There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please". Yes, there is. They absolutely manage stock based on demand, as does every other chain store.

I took that request not literally as "make more sales" (they can't control demand, after all), but rather as "stock more varieties." Your local Dollar General is likely going to have the same eggplants available as all the other ones in the country, or at least that's the idea behind that line.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#18

The tension this article writes about can be expressed to a tech audience as a compression problem. Dollar General wins out on low prices - essentially compressing their value prop onto a single dimension, prices. They won't do the Strong Towns things like sponsor a park or thoughtfully curate what they sell to fit community needs. There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please". The value o…

> There's no button to press in a DG that says "sell more eggplants please". Yes, there is. They absolutely manage stock based on demand, as does every other chain store.

As someone who worked at a corporate-private-equity-owned Dollar store (but not DG, specifically), I highly doubt that's true.

They "manage stock on demand" in that they count SKUs sold and replenish as needed / as they have availability, sure. And they probably do a inventory / count day once in a while, to account for loss(shrink). But that's about it.

They might occasionally get to pick from a few custom options from the internal catalog, but they likely aren't doing any kind of active stock management, and store staff (even store managers) likely have close-to-zero direct influence over what is carried.

Re: Small Town America vs. Big Box Stores

#20

> We don't want a corporate, faceless box store coming in with no stake in our community. Who is “we?” If the community wants Washington General, then they’ll shop there. If they want the lowest possible prices, they’ll shop at Dollar General. What it sounds like is that Washington General wants effectively a tariff on Dollar General so people won’t shop there. Because if it’s strictly “what’s best for the community,…

Dollar General is a mega corporation that can operate on an entirely different level than local stores. They pay their workers less and the profits go out of state. On a store-by-store basis though, Dollar general is a fragile establishment, management will not hesitate to abandon the location if they are spending too much money propping up the store. And the overhead for these stores is higher than it needs to be -…

They can also operate at a loss until they drive out all competition, and then raise prices - so that you probably end up at the same prices as before (or worse) - but with a much worse quality product (i.e. how they achieve better margins).
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