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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

Except for the whole military superpower thing. The US is actually in a somewhat unique situation compared to other countries.

Unique for now. It’s changing.

The moment is threatened Canada , Denmark sovereignty and EU/NATO, countries are planning for life without US

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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>The second thing we see is that Asian manufacturing in Asia produces US jobs. You go to Footlocker to buy a pair of $100 shoes because you can afford them. This creates jobs for the Footlocker employees, Nike designers, marketing teams, and other US people throughout this chain. In all fairness, most of those jobs would still exist if manufacturing was brought onshore. The fact that they were manufactured in Asia ma…

Incorrect. The price of manufacturing, because of the cost of living differences, would result in a far more expensive product.

Free-trade brings into being products that previously would not have existed (Nike trainers for the masses).

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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>The second thing we see is that Asian manufacturing in Asia produces US jobs. You go to Footlocker to buy a pair of $100 shoes because you can afford them. This creates jobs for the Footlocker employees, Nike designers, marketing teams, and other US people throughout this chain. In all fairness, most of those jobs would still exist if manufacturing was brought onshore. The fact that they were manufactured in Asia ma…

> In all fairness, most of those jobs would still exist if manufacturing was brought onshore.

Yes, if you waved a magic wand.

But considering bringing manufacturing onshore to replace Asian manufacturing will take at best years if not decades, no, those jobs will not still exist.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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I saw a video today on Instagram (from Tiktok), AI generated of course, where rows and rows of people sit at sewing machines sewing shirts, but instead of the typical Asians one commonly expects to see, they're all overweight American-looking people...

Apparently China propaganda making fun of the US.

I'd say this is more satire than propaganda.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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For me this glosses over on why would see the same 100% markup on the customs duties as they rise. A 100% at a low tariff rate is just pricing in the increased paperwork and accounting, but at a super-high tarrif rate this become pretty unjustifiable. Why is not more likely customs becomes mostly a passthrough cost?

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

Except for the whole military superpower thing. The US is actually in a somewhat unique situation compared to other countries.

It's only in a somewhat unique situation if people the US is willing and able to stomach a large-scale war, and people believe that to be so, and that belief has also dropped dramatically.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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The author’s point is that the lower cost of goods coming from Asia results in increased demand, which then generates more jobs in the post-manufacturing part of the chain.

That completely discounts the strategic value of self-sufficiency. I mean, why not outsource ALL manufacturing and agriculture if someone else can do it cheaper? Surely that wouldn't come back to bite us, right?

Yes, the goal is for everyone to be doing the thing they can do most cheaply and then trading with everyone else. Karl Marx and Ludwig von Mises would agree on this point. The idea that the Westphalian state should get in the middle of this is the aberation. The only reason national security is a consideration is because of the nations. I don't care if my shoes are made in Asia, though I suspect they wouldn't be if we paid Asian shoemakers an honest, globally-clearing wage.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author’s point is that the lower cost of goods coming from Asia results in increased demand, which then generates more jobs in the post-manufacturing part of the chain.

That completely discounts the strategic value of self-sufficiency. I mean, why not outsource ALL manufacturing and agriculture if someone else can do it cheaper? Surely that wouldn't come back to bite us, right?

Self-sufficiency is irrelevant to the discussion above. If prices go up, Americans can buy less, and the number of non-manufacturing jobs at these companies will go down.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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I think you're missing that the bigger value is having the manufacturing on your home soil instead of depending on being in the good graces of China.

Forcing China to become more independent of exports to the US also means China will care less about being in the good graces of the US. It cuts both ways.

One could easily have the impression that despite this, China has never really given a rat's ass about being in the good graces of the US, and that when they do relent it is often the case that they do not do so in good faith at all. If they comply with ethics and human rights, it's to the absolute minimum of that and in an underhanded way designed to undermine, but often not even that and they're just cheating and good at hiding it.

In other words, not much would be lost except the devious lip service.

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