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Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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I graduated 3 years ago in a similar situation and this helped me Hunter S. Thompson’s Letter on Finding Your Purpose and Living a Meaningful Life https://fs.blog/hunter-s-thompson-to-hume-logan/

Totally off topic, but this is the second time today I’ve seen HST referenced on HN, and it makes me happy

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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This makes a lot of sense to me. The stats basically say that "if you start out underemployed, you stay underemployed for a long time", but my guess is the causation isn't necessarily as it's implied (or, indeed, as I implied it in my first comment). That is, I think it's likely that a lot of people who start out unemployed are just comparatively less motivated, less aggressive, "go-with-the-flow"-type people. These…

> The advice in this article was to hold out as long as possible for a desirable job, which meant a ton of networking, taking internships if possible, and also possibly additional schooling. Emphasis on the next actions to take. Being in a graduating cohort affords you certain opportunities -- internships, career fairs, faculty-connected networking. Post-graduation, and especially post-college, people don't have thes…

Completely agree on internships. I really think universities that have an integrated co-op program, like Northeastern or Drexel, are much better for the significant majority of students than just a "standard" liberal arts or even an engineering degree.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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Levels.fyi has L5 at Amazon making $150k base, $220k TC. You might not be Jeff Dean or Andrej Karpathy but there's only two of them. None of us are. That's not remotely subhuman failure. https://www.levels.fyi/companies/amazon/salaries/systems-dev...

I make more than $220k now but OP 100% makes closer to $800K+ He definitely doesn't think people like me are human.

For most technical people in most of the world making $220k in a year is a distant dream.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

#194
There's some evidence that your career success depends heavily on the timing of your entry into the job market. That is, if you start working during an economic slump your career will suffer but if you wait and enter during a peak economic period you will always "ride the wave". I've seen this happen to individuals.

So I suggest that you stay in school, take a Masters degree and try to enter the market at a better time!

Don't go any further than a Master's. Here's why:

Philip Greenspun has provided the following graph at the URL titled "Career Guide for Engineers and Computer Scientists" at https://philip.greenspun.com/careers/

THIS IS YOUR EDUCATION, THIS IS YOUR SALARY

     !
 $50K!
     !                                          **
     !                                        **  *
 $40K!                                      **     *    Any Questions?
     !                                    **        *
     !                               *****           *
 $30K!                           ****                 *
     !                       ****                      *
     !                  *****                           *
 $20K!             *****                                 *
     !        *****                                       *
     !     ***                                             *
 $10K!  ***                                                 *
     !**                                                     *
     !                                                        *
   0
   +--------+----------+-----------+------------+---------+--*--------->

     no       high       some        Bachelor's   Master's  Doctor
     high     school     college     Degree       Degree    of
     school   diploma                                       Philosophy
     diploma

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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MIT class of '75 in course 18 (math - 3 years) and class of '76 course 6.3 (CS - fourth year). I stayed for that 4th year because the job market and grad school pool were awful. Was unemployed when graduated in June '76. Took advantage of that to take a cross-county motorcycle tour. Finally got a job in mid-September. That company went belly-up 6 weeks later. Remained unemployed until January '77. With the dream job that really launched my career. I wish I had more encouraging words for you, but what worked for me was - stick to what you love - eventually it'll work out. But don't be afraid to do what it takes to survive. I made ends meet by working as a bartender - moonlighting during that first job, and then as main income for a few more weeks until I got that wholly unexpected call from a headhunter that changed everything.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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Did they actually tell you that? I highly doubt it. You've created a preconception that I guarantee is not accurate at all. You have multiple people here saying it's bullshit, and we're not lying or trolling or anything like that. I replied somewhere else but I want to reiterate - why would you even want approval from people who dehumanize others on the basis of TC? It's like being upset Martin Shkreli doesn't want t…

It’s not just TC though. TC is an imperfect proxy for ability and class. If I’m just permanently in the underclass - unable to be compared to you people - it’s obvious that y’all wouldn’t even see me as human. I have no accomplishments, nothing to be proud of. Freshmen at MIT have more potential and prior accomplishments than I do.

As Percy Shelley said about Ozymandias, "Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!" We're all sand on a long enough time scale, and getting a TC 800k+ will not save you from that fate, in the same way that conquering an empire will not save you either. Other people have pointed out that you likely make a decent wage, but understandably that does not address your concern. If you feel that your only value is your accomplishments, then no matter how much you achieve it will never be enough. You get to decide your own goals, and whether you're reaching them. Don't let these proxies for ability and class decide what you want or how fast you should get it.

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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+1 to this. If I go look at social media the job market is ending. But if I look at the signals around me there's plenty of opportunities. Also consider taking something below (or even much below) expectations. It's much easier to work your way up with connections than it is to get in the door with no references.

What signals are you seeing? The ones I've seen aren't good. I see some jobs in companies with shitty pay or shitty culture (my bar is not high). It dies look like the past 6 months have been better than the previous year or so. But overall, it looks pretty dim. I'm getting PIP'd soon. I am expecting that I will likely lose my job. If that happens, I'm expecting that I will end up as a Walmart greeter. As someone wit…

> As someone with a disability, I expect my application will go right in the trash if I answer yes or blank on the disability question

That's an interesting hypothesis.

I've seen many people suggest just the opposite- pretending to have a mild disability when filling in the form so that they get the boost from companies which use recruiting software that prioritizes diversity and inclusiveness in candidate pool.

Federal contractors are explicitly required to "take affirmative action to recruit, hire, promote and retain" people with disabilities, with a target of at least 7% of their employees be from that group. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/odep/program-areas/employers/fe...

Re: Ask HN: I'm an MIT senior and still unemployed – and so are most of my friends

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That's a bit of a charcacture of Course 6 at MIT. Course 10 is chemical engineering and plenty of them go into industry at all the major oil companies. Lots of MIT students go into aerospace and defense (Lincoln Labs is directly federally funded) and MIT holds a yearly Soldier Design Competition that also helps students go for SBIRs. Raytheon is a big hirer of course 2 (MechE) MIT grads.

That's only true of the ones on ROTC or similar military related programs, everyone else goes straight to Wall Street, big tech, or MBB or med school. At the annual Fall job fair, 80% of students queue up to less than 10% of employers. Most companies never show up because it's simply not worth the cost and time to try to recruit spoiled brats of MIT

Most MIT Mech E grads work at Boeing. Most Chem Es work at Exxon, Merck and Intel. Most Aero Astros are at Boeing. Etc. Etc. You just aren't accurate.
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