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India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

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Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

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Part of the appeal of refurbished computers is that currently, fresh new laptops and tablets have reached a horrible minimum-quality. I have chewed myself and our household through a possibly obscene number of laptops, tablets and smartphones over the last 15 years or so. One of the villains in this story is Asus.

An ugly pattern emerges. In my country, there is mandatory 2year warranty on bought electronics - if it breaks before 24 months, the retailer owes you a working specimen. Well, what do you know.. I see a pattern of a lot of these items breaking before 3 years have passed. It is almost as if some hierarchy of managers have dictated "can you make this thing last for 25 months, but no further than that?"

- 1 the non-replacable battery will die, leaving the device a brick.

- 2 the power management IC will die, so the system refuses to light up or receive electrical current.

- 3 often, when (2) happens, the motherboard will be toasted as a by-product, leaving you to pay 600 DKK to have the retailer inform you "we have looked at your device, unfortunately the motherboard died, so repairing it will cost you same price as brand new. Thank you for the 600 you paid to have us tell you that".

Within the last year, I have had two separate Asus VivoBooks die on me, both after about 24 months of use - but critically, ">24", so no repair/warranty. One of them a DKK-10.000 purchase, the other a DKK-6.500 purchase. Neither of them have seen particular abuse, they were used by me, as "household pets" - so laptops that never left the couch.

I have taken a long time to learn this, but my learned lesson is that I have stopped buying these "10k DKK for 24 months of laptop" devices.

I am a pathological computer hoarder, and I have plenty of desktop PCs that are still alive and kicking after 10+ years (in which I may understandably have to replace PSUs).

The scam/grift that suppliers like Asus are operating on comsumer devices, is that the PMIC is designed to fail, is soldered into the motherboard, and that they love whenever the failing PMIC kills the motherboard during its death throes.

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The throw-away society is a human society strongly influenced by consumerism. The term describes a critical view of overconsumption and excessive production of short-lived or disposable items over durable goods that can be repaired." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw-away_society

Isn't it also a natural consequence of rapidly improving technology. Even if a laptop were built to last 20 years, who would want one when a new one is an order of magnitude better?

> Even if a laptop were built to last 20 years, who would want one when a new one is an order of magnitude better?

Someone living in poverty whose life may be markedly improved by having one?

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#73
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The throw-away society is a human society strongly influenced by consumerism. The term describes a critical view of overconsumption and excessive production of short-lived or disposable items over durable goods that can be repaired." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw-away_society

Isn't it also a natural consequence of rapidly improving technology. Even if a laptop were built to last 20 years, who would want one when a new one is an order of magnitude better?

20 years is a bit much but a 10 year old laptop can still browse normal websites. Just not the javascript loaden addfactories.

Doesn't mean you dump it after 2-3 years because a new fancy models comes along or the battery is not repairable because it's welded shut.

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#74
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The throw-away society is a human society strongly influenced by consumerism. The term describes a critical view of overconsumption and excessive production of short-lived or disposable items over durable goods that can be repaired." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw-away_society

Isn't it also a natural consequence of rapidly improving technology. Even if a laptop were built to last 20 years, who would want one when a new one is an order of magnitude better?

> would want one when a new one is an order of magnitude better

It's not, you're just ignoring two obvious points:

1. a person with no laptop would prefer it

2. a repairable laptop can also have its parts upgraded, so a 20 year laptop could have 1-year old parts

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#75
post #46

I spent many a weekends at Nehru Place, even though it was a 90 mins drive and the parking ... oh the parking, well if you want to test your patience this is this is the place to go. But for a hardware / gaming junkie this was the place to be. Not to mention (pirated / photocopied) books. Almost any book / media you could dream of. The lanes are buzzing with scamsters / pirates and geniuses who can build / repair any…

Nehru place was almost 100% scammers than real geniuses but definitely the place if you wanted a custom computing rig. The food was good enough, like you said but the prospect of having a 2GB RAM module made you salivate even more!

The neighboring areas also had electronics importers that proved super helpful. You could find some of the most "lethal" tech with their help. I got myself some powerful FPGA kits that are normally not accessible outside defense, academia, and select licensed labs. I have great admiration for those folks who let me lay my hands over the most powerful technology of that time.

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#76
I literally just bought a 2nd hand laptop, made by $huge_tech_conglomerate_from_pacific_northwest, with an 11-th gen i7, for less than EUR 250. The reason it was so cheap? It has a defective charging port so it only charges via USB-C. So it's not even "dead" dead.

This is mind-boggling, the CPU alone almost basically makes the full price. In what world is this an efficient allocation of resources?

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

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post #14

My Dell XPS-15 laptop's screen was falling off. To fix it, I drilled holes right though the border area of the screen and fitted 4 bolts so that the screen stays with the laptop. My colleagues were horrified to see large bolts at the back of the screen, but everything worked like a charm.

My classmate at the university had a laptop that first developed lines on the screen that he fixed by strategically cramming pieces of paper between the bezel and the LCD panel, and then eventually the hinges broke so he carried a book stand to prop up the lid. He did get a new laptop eventually iirc

I "fixed" broken hinge on a Dell laptop using some mseal. Sort of worked.

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#78
post #2

If the thinkpad community gets behind this, there will be a market for upspecced thinkpads as long as supplies last. the reduce re-use re-cycle part here is nicely inserting itself into the recycle tail side.

Abhas Abhinav of Deeproot Linux runs "Mostly Harmless" which sells refurbished Thinkpads with binary blobs removed. https://mostlyharmless.io/computers/

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

#79
post #14

My Dell XPS-15 laptop's screen was falling off. To fix it, I drilled holes right though the border area of the screen and fitted 4 bolts so that the screen stays with the laptop. My colleagues were horrified to see large bolts at the back of the screen, but everything worked like a charm.

I would have made it needlessly complex by gluing a set of strong neodymium magnets on the exterior and a set of small flat magnets on the screen side to avoid the risks of drilling and protruding bolts.

Of course gluing or taping are also viable options ?

Re: India's repair culture gives new life to dead laptops

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post #54
post #33

I remember up to the early 1990's we had repair shops all over Portugal, we would buy devices for life, and any kind of malfunction would be rescued at one of those repair shops, unless it was really a death sentence for the device. Now in a throw away society with planned obsolence devices, most of those shops are gone and the repair knowledge gone with them. Unless goverments fix the planned obsolence culture it is…

We still have here in Switzerland "repair cafes" run by volunteers, where mostly elderly bring their usually outdated devices to be repaired, while having a coffee and socializing. It works, as long it works...

Starting to exist a bit around here in Germany as well.
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