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Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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I had a similar but different run in with bad AI use in interviewing earlier this month. I was interviewing a candidate during a technical screen, and I had earlier noted that it was ok to use AI, as that was how modern development is going forward, I would just observe how someone would develop with it. In my technical product screens I try to tell the developer, it's time for them to show off what skills they feel…

Why do you assume the 8 years of experience were real?

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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The position's still open. It's ironic that it requires "Stay up-to-date on new AI technologies, including LLMs and generative models. Prototype and test new technologies to evaluate quality and improve performance."

Why is it ironic? Usage of AI doesn't mean you can just lie or not know what you are doing.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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> If you find you cannot function sitting in conference room with three other people for an hour, there is a 100% chance there is a better candidate suited for the role, even if his/her technical skills are less than yours. This assumes that was the job? What if the job never talks or sits in a room with anyone? > Hiring is all about finding the best candidate. Then what is leet code about?

> This assumes that was the job? What if the job never talks or sits in a room with anyone? That's perfectly fine. Some coding jobs also don't require deep knowledge on data structures. Each company and project has its own requirements. This does not reject the value of soft skills and being able to interact with other people. You can also frame this from another perspective. How far should a hiring manager go to acc…

Sitting in a conference room under pressure after potentially flying out possibly hundreds of miles doesn't test your soft skills in actual day to day work. I've known many excellent engineers that buckle under that conditional.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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You are right about hiring not being that much different but your prognostications are way off IMO. > - people are probably going to have to fly out for interviews, again. Fly where? Many companies don't have offices anymore. > - awkward and/or neurodivergent people are going to have to learn social skills again. Ahh... the age old, "just do better" position for neurodivergent people. Classic bigotry. > - And yeah, y…

> Ahh... the age old, "just do better" position for neurodivergent people. Classic bigotry. I think you're too eager to throw personal attacks on those who raise valid points that are you feel are uncomfortable to address. You should be aware that engineering is a social activity that requires hard skills. In any project that employs more than one person, you need to be able to interact with others. This means being…

> they will of course favor those who they are able to effectively interact with. This is not bigotry, is it?

If "those who they are able to effectively interact with" ends up meaning only people who look, act, or believe like them, then yes it absolutely is.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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I keep coming back to this phrase used in this post: "it was scary". Yeah, hiring is scary. Hiring is insanely expensive on all fronts. Firing people is difficult, it's expensive and legally exposing. Hiring the wrong person, allowing them access your systems and potentially exfiltrate your IP to them is a hazardous but necessary venture. The thing is, none of these things really changed with AI. People have been lyi…

> People have been lying about their experience for literally centuries.

Millenia. Just ask Nanni what happened when he trusted Ea-nāṣir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-n%C4%81...

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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The guy had to invent “cool” scenarios because companies think they are Google and working in backend doing normal things won’t get you hired. One could easily have prepared the whole interview with AI without failing to explain details (like what data was being paginated) just by lying a bit more. Not lying on your actual knowledge but on what your previous jobs were about. E.g., I have used k8s in pet projects but not at work, but this job ad for a backend position asks knowledge about k8s, so I’ll put k8s as skill under my last job and invent a credible story that I can talk about based on my experience during my pet projects.

I think the message here is: don’t ask for the moon, you are not Google.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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I'm deaf and rely on real-time captions for calls. In an in-person interview scenario, I'm at a huge disadvantage and not able to perform at my best. In a video call, I'm on equal ground. It's not as simple as "requiring people to be able to interact with other people."

I am pretty sure my current employer could make an exception if you can show proof of your condition (which would benefit you either way in Germany). But we also like to see collegues in person, as this is what the interaction for many positions might look like anyways.

Demanding said proof is very illegal in multiple jurisdictions.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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> Some people think it's perfectly normal to stretch the truth on a resume, and to lie in an interview. So marketing works in the company's favor, and not the candidates? Its a tough pill to swallow, but bending the truth and lying seems to be the way folks get jobs now. Perhaps not lying... But I've thought about the 1pt font white on white mega-tech-list attached to Workday resumes to get past THEIR ai-slop filters…

Lying isn't marketing. If you lie in marketing, people can sue you. It is one thing to frame your experiences in ways that are relevant to what the job is looking for: it is not only unethical to fabricate experiences, it is counter-productive. I will be checking references, and if their reports of the role you played on a project don't match yours I will not be hiring you. If you don't have references who can speak…

That's all fun and games until a single company puts the top 3 or 5 candidates pitted against each other to see who waits the longest without a rejection and takes the lowest offer...

I heard this from friends, and despite being very comfortable where I am, I started interviewing cynically with no intention to take any job. I can confirm this is very much true and widespread. Hiring is at its worst ever.

Whenever supply and demand gets fixed, we'll see these behaviors go away.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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I think the tension comes from the fact that the term "neurodivergent" doesn't have a specific clinical definition, it's a catch all term that is often used in a colloquial manner that lacks a meaningful diagnosis behind it. Typically, in a context where practical accomodations are being discussed one would want to address specific needs. A person with dyslexia isn't going to need the same accomodations as someone wi…

Accommodations usually (but not always) require diagnosis or confirmation by a doctor or other medical professional, and the law affords companies this discretion before granting one, whereas nonspecific 'neurodivergence' is often self-diagnosed. All this aside, if you have e.g. crippling anxiety such that you can't make it through an interview unaided, you probably won't be successful in that job, whatever it is. Wh…

Social anxiety can be quite specific; fine with small groups but terrified of public speaking, or terrified of new people but fine once you get to know people, or fine with speaking in front of thousands of people but not with the Uber ride to the convention center. I can very easily imagine someone who would do very well on a team of eight people and no client contact but would find the interview itself impossible.

Re: Interviewing a software engineer who prepared with AI

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The position's still open. It's ironic that it requires "Stay up-to-date on new AI technologies, including LLMs and generative models. Prototype and test new technologies to evaluate quality and improve performance."

Why is it ironic? Usage of AI doesn't mean you can just lie or not know what you are doing.

Sure, you are right. Still it seems that the candidate did "test new technologies to evaluate quality". Don't take it too seriously. No one likes cheaters.
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