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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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drstewart wrote: post #233
piva00 wrote: post #175

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I travel quite a bit, and there are only 2 places on Earth where I was close to a shooting happening in real time: São Paulo, Brazil, and Oakland, California. As much as the scenarios can be rare, there is an undeniable sense of everything hanging by a thin thread when traveling around the USA, which I've only experienced in Latin American countries in all my trips. Giving that I'm originally from Brazil even though…

I travel even more than you and only got robbed twice in 40 years on earth: in Johannesburg, South Africa and Stockholm, Sweden. You can claim it's rare, but it happened on 100% of my trips to Sweden. Therefore, I will never travel back to Sweden. It's just not worth it and I have no idea what could happen (stabbing? murder?). Nothing in Sweden is worth the absolute fear this country provokes.

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by surgical_fire »

chimeracoder wrote: post #86
world2vec wrote: post #28

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Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. I won't be visiting the US for the foreseeable future (used to go several times per year for work), just not worth the risk.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport?

I can answer that! It is pretty uneventful. My experience with the border checks in airports was always very pleasant (despite the lines, depending on the airport they can be pretty long)

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by bchasknga »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Just like a lot of Americans (including the left) that I personally know who still think "51st state" is a light-hearted joke or "Trump doesn't mean it" or they don't think it's a serious threat.

They don't know or don't think canadians takes this seriously and it's not fucking funny.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

piva00 wrote: post #283
drstewart wrote: post #233

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I travel even more than you and only got robbed twice in 40 years on earth: in Johannesburg, South Africa and Stockholm, Sweden. You can claim it's rare, but it happened on 100% of my trips to Sweden. Therefore, I will never travel back to Sweden. It's just not worth it and I have no idea what could happen (stabbing? murder?). Nothing in Sweden is worth the absolute fear this country provokes.

Please don't come here, it's definitely dangerous and you shouldn't ever step foot here again to avoid any danger to your life, it's a hellhole that no one like you should ever attempt to visit :) It's not rare, it will happen to you. Do not come.

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mcv »

DeathArrow wrote: post #529
mcv wrote: post #180

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The fact that Trump is nuts and possibly serving Putin by destroying the West is one thing, but the fact that so many people seem fine with it, corporations and institutions eager to do his bidding, Republicans all voting along with things they used to strongly oppose, that's really an eye opener.

Maybe for many people the democrats were worse and they are happy things are back to what they consider normal.

Not many, it seems. Also, not exactly normal.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

aorloff wrote: post #517
toomuchtodo wrote: post #434

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A certain cohort of the population ignores logic and reason, and runs on vibes and tribalism. They will only understand economic pain, when it hurts them personally, based on the evidence. And so, the rest of the world must incur economic pain in the US so the electorate understands its place in the economic system.

Somehow, they will still blame Biden, Kamala and Obama.

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

brookst wrote: post #181
Squeeeez wrote: post #141

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Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

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Post by thaneross »

DeathArrow wrote: post #405
b112 wrote: post #220

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but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the impact elsewhere. Indeed. Recently in Palo Alto for a few months. Saw lots of people protesting Tesla dealerships, lots of interesting and creative anti-Trump and Elon signs. Not one word of Canada, of Greenland. Trumps stated goal of destroying Canada's economy to force annexation, or to outright just take Greenland seem not protest worthy. Mos…

Why should US citizens deeply care about Canada? It's not their country, they don't live there. Don't tell me Canadians lose sleep thinking about the well being of US.

Because nationality is an accident of birth and being unconcerned with causing harm to others is sociopathic.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

frob wrote: post #219
mjaniczek wrote: post #41

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I'm an EU citizen who's on the organizer team of Elm Camp 2025, and I'm really on the fence whether to even risk the flight to US and attending, hearing these stories :(

Do not come here. First, do it for your own safety. A wrong form or the wrong answer to a verbal question after 18 hours of travel could land you in weeks of brutal detention. Second, do it to help the cause. We here in America need to suffer the consequences of our actions. We need to see conferences canceled. We need to see imports stopped. We need to see people refusing to bring their knowledge and expertise here.…

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