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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by riehwvfbk »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #226
riehwvfbk wrote: post #152

It also happens to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist, and in tough economic times satisfying one's curiosity about the US may not be as high on the list. But yes, there is also the political climate.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

It's not a monoculture, but there aren't many places on a typical tourist's itinerary that aren't also 3-5x the price of a European, Asian, South American, or Caribbean destination. It doesn't make US tourism bad, but at a 5x price differential one may weigh whether they want to see the Grand Canyon or Hawaii that much more than the Andes or Malta. There may be underappreciated gems in the US, but the fact that they are underappreciated also means they aren't popular destinations for mass tourism.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ty6853 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #335
alxlaz wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. Once (oh, actually twice!) while travelling, I have had entirely benign trouble with paperwork (things like not filling a form correctly on the first attempt). Explaining the circumstances to someone who has to figure out if you're scatter-brained, unlucky, or an actual criminal, isn't particularly fun, but it's been entirely professional and civilised. We resolved it all in about half an hour. Didn't even mi…

So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

Lol there is no due process at the border for a simple imprisonment, it is 'administrative' and I have been held up to a day or so without any sort of hearing. I pulled my FBI record from the last time they tossed me in immigration holding cell, there is no record of it. They don't allow you to have a phone, they do not let you have an attorney, and they do not document they've imprisoned you. They lock you away and that is that, it is your word against theirs and your word from behind a jail cell. You will never prevail in such a situation, and if you complain outside of some place like HN the vast majority of people will angrily ask what you did wrong and that there 'must be more to the story' so you rarely even bring it up.

I do not think most people can conceive just how common and deranged the situation is, and that not only that the documentation is so poor and that most of the people this happens to will not speak up, either because no one will believe them or because they are not a citizen and are afraid it will result in reprisal.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by aurizon »

aurizon wrote: post #117

The 'sea' of data is huge - I am doubtless entered into it multiple times with all manner of associated data. The ICE casts it's net (with a pack of valid as well as a far number of non-valid associations) through this sea and when it lifts it there are number of 'fish' therein. I will be in there, among the silvery bodies and the attached associations. I am 'by-catch' as I have no crime ever - but millions of tons o…

https://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/content/wreck-julie-plante

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by paulgb »

belter wrote: post #469
paulgb wrote: post #446

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His story is a bit suspicious to me, I believe that he was detained but I can't help wondering if the rest is fiction based on watching US prison dramas. He would not have been sent to a federal prison for one thing, and his depictions of violence are what I would expect from long-term convicted felons, not people being held for having the wrong visa.

Willing to concede that. But he has thousands of followers and is well known in the MMA comunity. Would he throw all that away for a good story? Also there is an update: "Update on U.S. federal prison detention of MMA coach Renato Subotic who recently trained Merab Dvalishvili" https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-pris... "UPDATE: I just spoke with coach Renato Subotic for a few minutes. He says he…

Interesting, I could be wrong then! The inclusion in his story of some very specific irrelevant details (like his cell/block number) while omitting anything that could be verified (like which border crossing and detention facility) was one of the things that raised my suspicion, but if he's sharing specifics now it raises my odds that he's telling the truth.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by philistine »

DeathArrow wrote: post #335
alxlaz wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. Once (oh, actually twice!) while travelling, I have had entirely benign trouble with paperwork (things like not filling a form correctly on the first attempt). Explaining the circumstances to someone who has to figure out if you're scatter-brained, unlucky, or an actual criminal, isn't particularly fun, but it's been entirely professional and civilised. We resolved it all in about half an hour. Didn't even mi…

So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

We have multiple examples. It happens, because the incarceration has been privatized and they have no incentive to get you out. They want to keep making more money.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by jinushaun »

Reubachi wrote: post #258
rbultje wrote: post #242

Maybe related - I noticed that hotel room prices in New York dropped, they used to start at $350/night just a few months ago, now you can get them for $150/night.

it's the "Dead" season right no, late march early april. Great time to go to disney, nyc, etc.

NYC is New York.

Also NYC doesn’t have a “dead” season. It’s crowded versus overcrowded.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by nmeofthestate »

mikedelfino wrote: post #360
brookst wrote: post #181

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It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated Why would they want that?

Off the top of my head, playing Devil's advocate it could be to encourage illegal immigrants to self-deport. The jailing of Germans with green cards for a fortnight is an unintended side-effect of cranking up the overall hostility level.

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Post by csa »

the_af wrote: post #476
phr4ts wrote: post #245

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Really? In my country, CNN is Coca cola and Fox is Dr. Pepper

Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy. Also, I'd like to emphasize what someone said elsewhere in this comments section: the rest of the world doesn't see the US through the "CNN vs Fox" lens, that's almost exclusively an American phenomenon.

> Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy.

Ubiquitous (distribution) versus relatively limited (distribution).

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by dang »

potato3732842 wrote: post #156
neogodless wrote: post #149

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43610246 Fewer Foreign Passengers Are Flying to the US (jasher.substack.com) 212+ points, 128+ comments (posted slightly earlier)

That article links to this article.

We've moved the comments hither.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by [deleted] »

piva00 wrote: post #175
gitfan86 wrote: post #128

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This is the nature of social media. If you see 10 examples of something happening in another country there is a good chance you will alter your behavior. The reverse scenario is happening too. There are americans that refuse to go to europe because of the examples they seen of immigrants committing crimes and ruining neighborhoods. As someone who spends a lot of time on both locations, I know that both scenarios are…

I travel quite a bit, and there are only 2 places on Earth where I was close to a shooting happening in real time: São Paulo, Brazil, and Oakland, California. As much as the scenarios can be rare, there is an undeniable sense of everything hanging by a thin thread when traveling around the USA, which I've only experienced in Latin American countries in all my trips. Giving that I'm originally from Brazil even though…

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