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Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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That's not a plural, it's the standard English pronoun for a person whose gender isn't specified.

That's interesting, because when I learned English in school the pronoun for "a person whose gender isn't specified" was he.

Must have been a long time ago, because efforts to remove "he" as the default gender have been ongoing for years (80s?) and everybody has more or less settled on they rather than the awkward he/she.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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People of my family are flying in in March. New restrictions are in place for people who visited specific countries. My only advice to fellow Europeans who want to travel to the US is to get issued a new passport and, if you have to, lie on your ESTA if you spent any time in Cuba or in the Middle East since 2011 (Your trips are linked to your passport ID)

> New restrictions are in place for people who visited specific countries

New?! They've been suspicious about these travels for the past 20 years or so.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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I doubt that seeing the Fox spin on US events would persuade many people that the US is currently a place of rationality and the rule of law.

Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not. I'll answer assuming it's in earnest.

> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police.

> As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

I think this in general has very little to do with crime rates. There are confounding factors. I'd rather not visit Florida regardless of crime rate.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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A good faith interpretation of that comment is that they're curious about the US, and might like to explore, but that the US is expensive. The monoculture thing came only from you.

This seems to imply that someone can be "curious about the US, and might like to explore" but that they also already know the value of "what you get as a tourist". I don't think that is valid. While my monoculture question came of as loaded, judging by the backlash of commenters, and I should haven't asked it, I don't think the OP understands the diversity of the US, and I don't think a judgement on value of travel i…

You're still on the same US-diversity train but there's nothing in that comment to justify it.

There are other many more layers to a tourist's cost/benefit analysis than just culture. Some of those layers will be common to the entire US:

- exchange rate between USD and their home currency

- affordability might vary across the US, but perhaps the consider even the cheaper places to be too pricey (the US is indeed a very pricey destination compared to much of Europe)

- the customs & border people deter tourists from visiting, no matter where in the US they want to go

- the US is a long flight away for many people in the world, whether they're going to Seattle, LA, NY, or Miami.

OP might be absolutely enthralled by US cultural diversity and still make the exact same comment.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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As a Middle Eastern Canadian, I’ve been harassed at the U.S. border more times than I can count—often detained and questioned for hours, leading to major delays and unnecessary stress. It’s happened so frequently that I've completely stopped visiting the U.S. and avoid any connection that involves touching U.S. soil. It makes travel a bit more complicated, but honestly, it's worth it.

These days, my favorite place to visit is Europe. Even the UK, which can sometimes be tricky for travelers, has never been an issue for me. I’ve only ever had polite and respectful interactions there. And when crossing into Germany in particular, I’ve found the officials to be consistently professional and efficient.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Plus it's false that the rest of the world doesn't get the Fox spin along with the CNN spin. We get both.

Really? In my country, CNN is Coca cola and Fox is Dr. Pepper

Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy.

Also, I'd like to emphasize what someone said elsewhere in this comments section: the rest of the world doesn't see the US through the "CNN vs Fox" lens, that's almost exclusively an American phenomenon.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Maybe related - I noticed that hotel room prices in New York dropped, they used to start at $350/night just a few months ago, now you can get them for $150/night.

it's the "Dead" season right no, late march early april. Great time to go to disney, nyc, etc.

Hotel prices for $150 are unheard of in NYC since the pandemic.

This isn’t just dead season

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

The threats to Canada aren't attracting nearly as much attention as they should. The problem is people have got too used to just assuming that what Trump says is bullshit: it's just there to sound good on the news, there's no intent to actually do it. Then the tariffs hit. If there's the slightest possibility that what he says is not bullshit, then Canada needs to take it very seriously and the entire northern hemisp…

The annexing is so unhinged that I can't be sincere, yet anything Trump had any power to do he did do. He didn't get peace in Ukraine because he can't control Russia nor Ukraine. He can attempt an Canadian invasion because he is in control of the army.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that seeing the Fox spin on US events would persuade many people that the US is currently a place of rationality and the rule of law.

Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power?

I don't think that's true—or at least, not a strong correlation. Crime rates were going significantly down since the early 90s, regardless who is in power. There was a smaller spike during COVID years, which has I believe returned to normal.

> I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist.

It is, but it isn't the only concern, and ICE sending tourists to prison is by definition not a crime, but is just as relevant to potential tourists.

> As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

I really don't think you really want to look at the state level crime rates, you should look at the crime rate for the place you're going to visit. For instance, the violent crime rate in Florida was 260 per 100k people in 2022 (according to Wikipedia)... but if you're going to Walt Disney World, specifically: it's a whole lot less.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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So this period last year the visits went up 300K, and this year they are down 200K. So compared to the two year ago it's still up 100K? Am I missing anything? It would be interesting to see the data over a multi-year period. edit: they actually even say that the data "go back for 3 years", but only show 1 year of data.

It makes sense that 2024 had more travel than 2023, given Covid. But a longer timeline view would be nice, as would measurements in percent rather than numbers.

Ask and you shall receive :)

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/04/foreign-visits-american-air...

- A sight uptick followed, but the number was still down 18.4% as of March 28 versus the same time last year.

- Compare that to the number of U.S. citizens returning to the country, which was up nearly 14% by late March from the year earlier.

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