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Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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> It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you get paid for work because it’s important

Is it? Maybe I'm out of touch, or used to a different work culture (non-US, consultant), but that's kinda obvious, you're paid because you make money.

Also, no one that knows a single teacher or nurse would ever fall into the trap of thinking that salary is proportional to job importance.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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> It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you get paid for work because it’s important Is it? Maybe I'm out of touch, or used to a different work culture (non-US, consultant), but that's kinda obvious, you're paid because you make money. Also, no one that knows a single teacher or nurse would ever fall into the trap of thinking that salary is proportional to job importance.

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Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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Interesting article. I’m currently trying to justify “tech debt” to upper management. The way I try to communicate it: we can move faster and better on business requirements if we delete unused code/upgrade legacy dependencies/etc. Both need to happen at the same time, though, and that’s where it gets hard: “this feature request would be so much easier if I upgraded to Angular vlatest” runs the risk of always paying tech debt and never providing value.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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Running companies like this is how you end up with the current state of Boeing. Only valuing engineers who are directly earning you profit and firing the ones who only have an indirect role in your profit centers. > If your work isn’t clearly connected to company profit, your position is unstable You know what really makes your position unstable as an engineer? Delaying a product over "safety" concerns, thereby doing…

> Or even worse, engineers who are preventing you from making profit over "safety" concerns. Ugh, this. After doing SRE for nearly a decade and being utterly pigeonholed, I've come to believe it's more accurately placed in the "controlled opposition" bucket than anything about either reliability or engineering.

Quality Assurance reporting in. Everybody talks a good game, then when you bring up compliance it's straight to the executive override.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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I have often ended up working on the billing system - nobody cares if it functions and I don't know why. It pulls in the money every month and if it makes mistakes the company loses money.........!!!!..... In the same companies people do care about the UI ...even when it has about 2-3 unique users per day. I won't explain how this translates to being able to function as a company at all - just to say it does because…

> nobody cares if it functions and I don't know why. It pulls in the money every month and if it makes mistakes the company loses money.........!!!!.....

But no individual manager loses anything compared to their colleagues. There is nothing for them to lose by not caring.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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post #60

"At successful tech companies, engineering work is valued in proportion to how much money it makes the company" You would think that, but decades of experience have disproved that. Most of management, past first-gen if the company was founded by engineers, is non-technical. Most are (more or less) aware that somewhere technical engineering in software is needed, but they feel that as a threath rather than an asset. I…

What if they're right, and at a certain point engineering is a commodity?

It is, until it isn't. Basically modern tech management is about flying as close to commodified engineering sun as possible without burning up.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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post #60

"At successful tech companies, engineering work is valued in proportion to how much money it makes the company" You would think that, but decades of experience have disproved that. Most of management, past first-gen if the company was founded by engineers, is non-technical. Most are (more or less) aware that somewhere technical engineering in software is needed, but they feel that as a threath rather than an asset. I…

What if they're right, and at a certain point engineering is a commodity?

It is, but at some point, so is management. So is any human capital past your key positions.

I feel like managers - even good managers - understand that better than most. That isn't to say there isn't variation in humans - choosing the humans right for your team and organization will help advance a lot, but it really helps us to think of organizations as ant colonies. One person can slow it down, but very few can speed it up, and they can only do so much.

It's the network of communication that matters more than the person.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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I mean, I've never worked with a project manager who generated one iota of business value... Just stirring up drama, inserting themselves into decisions that they can't understand, and calling unnecessary meetings with management that they should be handling on their own. I think there's a lot to be said for simple visibility to management. Also, ignorant overconfidence seems to be something that management loves.

Re: Knowing where your engineer salary comes from

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> They throw themselves into various pieces of work that don’t make money ... better screenreader support Truth hurts lol. This I think is where Capitalism is at odds with a lot of people's intrinsic values. Accessibility unarguable improves people's lives and many people are in software to make the world better but yeah if you want to make as much money (or maybe just more money) doesn't mean working on even a usefu…

This line triggered me a bit, but later on they do give examples of how accessibility can be profitable. I think "not getting huge fines" due to (very important) laws, is a great example.
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