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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by brookst »

Squeeeez wrote: post #141
daedrdev wrote: post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out.

The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by threeseed »

jeroenhd wrote: post #148
codybontecou wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So far, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Germany, France and the U.K. have all issued new travel guidance for those wishing to travel to the U.S." https://www.newsweek.com/portugal-issues-travel-warning-us-2...

Because it's easiest to check, I looked up https://www.ireland.ie/en/dfa/overseas-travel/advice/united-... but this doesn't seem nearly as severe as Newsweek makes it seem. It's absolute lunacy that western governments are giving out negative travel advice against the US at all, but I've noticed Newsweek seems to have an agenda on this topic.

> It's absolute lunacy that western governments are giving out negative travel advice against the US at all

We've had multiple examples in the last few weeks of Australians being detained and having phones/laptops searched for no legitimate reason e.g.

https://www.smh.com.au/traveller/travel-news/an-australian-w...

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by hulitu »

taylodl wrote: post #89

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

> Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that?

Because it worked so well in the last years. /s

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by dr__mario »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> I am not taking the risk of getting locked up in ICE jail any time soon, no matter how unlikely it is.

I've turned down a 7-day-all paid-trip my company was offering me to San Francisco for this (and I had in the past a bad experience at Puerto Rico's border).

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by johnnyanmac »

antman wrote: post #167
chimeracoder wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

There is no definition of “if you are not a citizen you are not a citizen and you are not entitled to a due process” in any EU airport AFAIK.

That's not the case in the US either. Like, how would that work if a non-citizen isn't bound to law anyway? "Oh you're not American, so you're not bound by our murder laws. Free to go".

But this admin highly disagrees with that notion. Really hope the courts start throwing heads sooner rather than later.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ta1243 »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #111

I guess in the 1930s, Americans had similar thoughts about Germans.

Many americans loved what Hitler was doing to Make Germany Great Again.

Charles Lindbergh for example blamed the Jews for WW2

> National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our [USA] population favored a similar course for America. ... The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by footy »

ABS wrote: post #47
potato3732842 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

assuming your point is correct about what almost the entire country thinks about ICE locking up tourists (and I don't think it is) it's irrelevant: ICE does it anyway and that's all I as a potential turist care about

exactly. As a Canadian I don't really care that half or more of the country thinks that ICE should not be locking up random Canadians or that the annexation threats aren't real or that the tariffs are a negotiating tactic. It is not relevant to my life how they feel if any of these things affect me.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by brookst »

perfunctory wrote: post #158

So this period last year the visits went up 300K, and this year they are down 200K. So compared to the two year ago it's still up 100K? Am I missing anything? It would be interesting to see the data over a multi-year period. edit: they actually even say that the data "go back for 3 years", but only show 1 year of data.

It makes sense that 2024 had more travel than 2023, given Covid. But a longer timeline view would be nice, as would measurements in percent rather than numbers.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

paulddraper wrote: post #155
pixl97 wrote: post #2

Act crazy and people stop coming to your house.

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Yes but then you hang a “no guests” sign outside. You don’t let them in your house and then scream at them, lock them up in the bathroom for 2 weeks before kicking them out.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by przemub »

chimeracoder wrote: post #161
ta1243 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem. With an Iranian passport? Probably more problems.

> With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem. First of all, the folks profiling and detaining you don't ask you where your passport is from first - they'll generally make the decision and then ask for your documentation. But even then, I have a US passport, and I've had far more issues being detained in European airports than I have in the US - which is really saying something.

It’s saying that citizens are more trusted than non-citizens, obviously.
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