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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by chimeracoder »

ta1243 wrote: post #136
chimeracoder wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem. With an Iranian passport? Probably more problems.

> With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem.

First of all, the folks profiling and detaining you don't ask you where your passport is from first - they'll generally make the decision and then ask for your documentation.

But even then, I have a US passport, and I've had far more issues being detained in European airports than I have in the US - which is really saying something.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ta1243 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #116
titaphraz wrote: post #23

Countries all over the world are issuing US travel warnings. If there's an error or mistake on your visa you risk being detained by ICE for weeks on end or even end up in the Gulag in El Salvador. For European visitors, they can see the fascism miles away. A lot of Europe was occupied by Hitler while the US wasn't. The extraordinary claim that Musk's salute wasn't a Nazi salute is mind boggling. Even when people have…

So far, the travel warnings I've seen all specify specific groups targeted by the American government, such as LGBTQ+ people. News of tourists getting imprisoned for weeks or longer have been all over the news, but so far Europe doesn't seem to have actually brought out a general warning for that kind of danger. That said, the people I've spoken to (most of which aren't LGBT+) are hesitant to go to the US now. There'…

> So far, the travel warnings I've seen all specify specific groups targeted by the American government, such as LGBTQ+ people.

The travel warnings for Germany in the 1930s were specific groups targeted by the Nazi government, such as Jewish people

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by lordelph »

codybontecou wrote: post #71
ultim8k wrote: post #48

I'm waiting to see the effects of the brain drain

Know of any good programs that countries are offering to accelerate this?

Here's recent article going into how the EU and some of its members are responding https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-exploit-dunald-trump-...

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by johannes1234321 »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #121
codybontecou wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So far, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Germany, France and the U.K. have all issued new travel guidance for those wishing to travel to the U.S." https://www.newsweek.com/portugal-issues-travel-warning-us-2...

The UK has updated its "Entry requirements" page, but not its "Warnings and insurance" section: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/usa Last I checked, Germany's advice was similar (i.e., not a general warning); and from the article, it doesn't look like Portugal's advice is a Travel Warning either. There's a difference between making information available, and providing warnings.

> Last I checked, Germany's advice was similar

What changed is that they made the text clearer, that ESTA approval doesn't guarantee entry and decision is made by the border officer and adding a note that wrong information may lead to incarceration.

Those notes weren't "needed" before as that was rare, while theoretically the rules were the same, but seem to be handled stricter now.

This is still far from a "proper" travel warning.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/service/laender/usa-node/...

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by InitialLastName »

chimeracoder wrote: post #137
sofixa wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). EU Eastern Europe, you might get funny looks but it's still not an extraordinary situation to have various shades of skin colour (e.g. Syr…

> Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). As a person who matches the description above, and has traveled to Europe extensively and frequently, I can tell you that as much as Europeans like to believe this is this case, it is absolutely not true. > Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no…

How many weeks have you spent detained by EU border officials?

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by antman »

chimeracoder wrote: post #86
world2vec wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. I won't be visiting the US for the foreseeable future (used to go several times per year for work), just not worth the risk.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

There is no definition of “if you are not a citizen you are not a citizen and you are not entitled to a due process” in any EU airport AFAIK.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by theGeatZhopa »

potato3732842 wrote: post #156
neogodless wrote: post #149

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43610246 Fewer Foreign Passengers Are Flying to the US (jasher.substack.com) 212+ points, 128+ comments (posted slightly earlier)

That article links to this article.

have you tried to click it? Because, for me, I get a pretty long discussion showed.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by threeseed »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #65
titaphraz wrote: post #23

Countries all over the world are issuing US travel warnings. If there's an error or mistake on your visa you risk being detained by ICE for weeks on end or even end up in the Gulag in El Salvador. For European visitors, they can see the fascism miles away. A lot of Europe was occupied by Hitler while the US wasn't. The extraordinary claim that Musk's salute wasn't a Nazi salute is mind boggling. Even when people have…

I haven't actually seen any travel warnings published by other nation states (yet). Do you have a source?

It's not travel warnings in the technical sense but in the literal sense which is causing confusion.

For example, Australia issued a new update "warning" people that they maybe inadmissible for any reason.

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/americas/unite...

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