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Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

I'm an EU citizen who's on the organizer team of Elm Camp 2025, and I'm really on the fence whether to even risk the flight to US and attending, hearing these stories :(

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

#42
post #21

So, less greenhouse gases?

if you need to eat and decide not to go to your usual restaurant for whatever reason... do you stop eating altogether?

No but if your usual is maguro, you're definitely cutting back on your greenhouse footprint.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Flying from the EU to the US isn’t cheap, and the thought of potentially being denied entry (or worse) makes me think it's best not to visit again for another four years.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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post #18
post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

ICE statements about detention say it's supposed to be non-punitive, but clearly it's punishing for the detained. Lots of people get detained for what are actually civil violations or even just suspicion of civil violations, not crimes. We really need a new system. People shouldn't be locked up for more than 24 hours until they've seen a judge, and I imagine in many cases, lockup could be avoided entirely with a cour…

>I imagine in many cases, lockup could be avoided entirely with a court summons (which if violated would justify arrest).

This goes for most arrests, probably damn near all of them when it comes to nonviolent crimes.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

When you are in stuck in a border control jail for 2 weeks it does not particularly matter who does or does not think you should be there.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

assuming your point is correct about what almost the entire country thinks about ICE locking up tourists (and I don't think it is) it's irrelevant: ICE does it anyway and that's all I as a potential turist care about

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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post #32

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Yep. Last time I went to the US I made a mistake with my visa and was briefly detained. it could totally happen to me again, so I'd need a really good reason to run that risk again.

"Detained" as in sent to secondary inspection, or actually arrested?

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

#50
post #19

So, less greenhouse gases?

until the airlines reduce flights, the planes still fly, just emptier

What's the frequency by which airlines rebalance their flight schedule (including e.g. code sharing)
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