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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by glitchc »

liendolucas wrote: post #99
xbmcuser wrote: post #22

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

> instead he is a fraud/charlatan and... Just see him talking about things at NeuraLink. Musk wouldn't exist if it weren't for the people working for him. It's a clown that made it to the top in a very dubious way.

Not dubious. He was rich to begin with and used that wealth to make more.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by hiddencost »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #92

Prediction: over the next 4 years we're going to see lots of stories like this. Some of the stories will be fair, some won't. "Musk bad" stories get clicks. The next administration will be very anti-Tesla. Coincidentally, by that time self-driving will be considered mature enough to warrant proper regulation, rather than the experimental regulation status we have now. Combine the two, and the regulations will be writ…

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

timschmidt wrote: post #106
artursapek wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't let lack of battery supply stop them.

I can imagine a useful EV without lidar (my ICE vehicles certainly don't have one). I cannot imagine a useful EV without a battery.

I can't imagine a "full self driving" car that performs worse than humans be allowed in the streets.

In medicine, the ethics commitee would shot the project early.

Edit: Comparing "ev vehicle" with "autonomous vehicle"

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by Gud »

swid wrote: post #71
Gud wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. The car should be smart enough to figure out which sensor is faulty. Otherwise, the car should not be driving itself at all. It's more like, a pilot has access to multiple sensors. Which they do.

The comment you are replying to is saying the chance of error decreases with more pilots since there is redundancy. They are not saying it’s like too many chefs in a kitchen.

Ah thanks, misunderstood!

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by Havoc »

energy123 wrote: post #30
xbmcuser wrote: post #22

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

Multiple independent sensor streams is like having multiple pilots fly a plane instead of just one pilot. The chance of a fatal error (false negative identification of an object near the car) decreases from p to p^n. The size of that decrease is not intuitive: if p=0.0001 it now becomes a much smaller number with the introduction of a second pilot or second independent sensor stream (0.0001^2). Now the errors are not…

>Multiple independent sensor streams is like having multiple pilots fly a plane.

Don't think that's the right analogy. Realistically you'd aim to combine them meaningfully. A bit like two eyes gives you depth perception.

You assume 1+1 is less than two, when really you'd aim for >2

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by timschmidt »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #113
timschmidt wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine a useful EV without lidar (my ICE vehicles certainly don't have one). I cannot imagine a useful EV without a battery.

I can't imagine a "full self driving" car that performs worse than humans be allowed in the streets. In medicine, the ethics commitee would shot the project early. Edit: Comparing "ev vehicle" with "autonomous vehicle"

I wouldn't use medicine as an example in this case. Medicine does all kinds of ill advised things because they're worse for the disease than the patient. And all kinds of things they know will kill the patient if there's opportunity to learn and improve other lives.

It seems like Tesla's been pretty clear with drivers who've opted in to FSD that they're helping to test and develop a system which isn't perfect.

Just off the top of the head, look up Henrietta Lacks for a notable example of how medicine has handled informed consent.

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

timschmidt wrote: post #106
artursapek wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't let lack of battery supply stop them.

I can imagine a useful EV without lidar (my ICE vehicles certainly don't have one). I cannot imagine a useful EV without a battery.

Tesla’s valuation isn’t based on their ability to make a BEV.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by skybrian »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #92

Prediction: over the next 4 years we're going to see lots of stories like this. Some of the stories will be fair, some won't. "Musk bad" stories get clicks. The next administration will be very anti-Tesla. Coincidentally, by that time self-driving will be considered mature enough to warrant proper regulation, rather than the experimental regulation status we have now. Combine the two, and the regulations will be writ…

Maybe, but why couldn’t a competitor prove their system works using safety drivers?

If a competitor resold their system to other car companies, another possible scenario might be a duopoly like Apple versus Android.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by [deleted] »

swid wrote: post #71
Gud wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. The car should be smart enough to figure out which sensor is faulty. Otherwise, the car should not be driving itself at all. It's more like, a pilot has access to multiple sensors. Which they do.

The comment you are replying to is saying the chance of error decreases with more pilots since there is redundancy. They are not saying it’s like too many chefs in a kitchen.

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by scarface_74 »

aisenik wrote: post #107
scarface_74 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t try to be an “ally”. I have a very slight disability that causes me to limp a little when I walk (or run and well trained I’m a decent runner) and I am not that easily offended.

Please don't try to speak for everyone who's impacted by the regressive trends in social practices. I have a slight limp and am a member of a scapegoated minority who uses slurs in-community, I'm not easily offended (I'm inherently offensive) and your lil' shoutdown is gross.

I’m also in a minority community. Let’s just say I grew up on NWA (the rap group). I also roll my eyes at many of those “allies”.

For good reason, as soon as Trump winked, all of the corporations and colleges immediately dropped the programs.

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