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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by shadowgovt »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #5

I’m normally quite skeptical of these kinds of “Tesla More Dangerous Than Other Brands” headlines since they tend to be B.S. But this seems like a pretty legitimate accusation, and certainly a well researched write-up at the very least.

The only criticism I could leverage is that the difference between five and zero incidents is very hard to extrapolate information from.

The author kind of plays this up a bit by insinuating that there are incidents we don't know of, and they probably aren't wrong that if there are five fatalities there are going to be many more near misses and non-fatal fender bender collisions.

But for the number of millions of miles on the road covered by all vehicles, extrapolating from five incidents is doing a lot of statistical heavy lifting.

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Post by whiplash451 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #25
Mistletoe wrote: post #4

Visual detection only doesn’t work and the man that forced Tesla to use it is now in control of government “efficiency”. This decade’s very dark humor just keeps getting worse.

We have more than 100 years of proof that visual detection works quite well. The problem is that we don't have certification process before a tech is deployed on the streets - your AV must pass this and this tests before you are allowed to use it. We don't care how you got there lidar, gps/astrology, camera/ai are all ok as long as you pass

You’re confusing vision (the sensor) with perception (the compute that goes with it).

We have zero evidence that vision-based computers are safe enough to drive.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by outside1234 »

redox99 wrote: post #13
dharmab wrote: post #7

Related: Well-sourced video on the topic https://youtube.com/watch?v=yRdzIs4FJJg

Considering how much FSD has improved in the last few months, a 2 year old video is not relevant.

Just amazing to me how blind people are to how much of a fraud Musk is

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Post by xandrius »

pelagic_sky wrote: post #8

When I used to ride, getting rear ended at a stop was one of my biggest fears other than people blowing stop signs. I always left more space in front of me that would give me room to maneuver as I watched for the car behind me to make the stop.

My latest fear is not having the person behind me to rear me (as you can keep an eye on them) but is whoever is behind them, hitting them and then myself getting hit as a result.

2nd hand collision, still pretty dangerous.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by dharmab »

redox99 wrote: post #13
dharmab wrote: post #7

Related: Well-sourced video on the topic https://youtube.com/watch?v=yRdzIs4FJJg

Considering how much FSD has improved in the last few months, a 2 year old video is not relevant.

The main critique in the video is related to the hardware, specifically the lack of LIDAR.

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Post by scarface_74 »

dingnuts wrote: post #27
usrusr wrote: post #10

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"crippleds"? Jesus Christ I know the zeitgeist is a cultural backlash against political correctness but goddamn we're getting a little cavalier using 1930s-esque language about non minority groups here aren't we? You couldn't have said serious injuries vs deaths? Or deaths vs maimings?

Please don’t try to be an “ally”. I have a very slight disability that causes me to limp a little when I walk (or run and well trained I’m a decent runner) and I am not that easily offended.

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Post by dingnuts »

Robotbeat wrote: post #3
apples_oranges wrote: post #2

government theoretically could mandate another non-visual obstacle sensor..

I think mandating performance makes way more sense.

I'm sure the government, led by Elon Musk, has no conflict of interest with Tesla, run by Elon Musk, that would EVER give Tesla an unfair advantage against its competitors through regularly capture or something similar.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by Finnucane »

ReptileMan wrote: post #25
Mistletoe wrote: post #4

Visual detection only doesn’t work and the man that forced Tesla to use it is now in control of government “efficiency”. This decade’s very dark humor just keeps getting worse.

We have more than 100 years of proof that visual detection works quite well. The problem is that we don't have certification process before a tech is deployed on the streets - your AV must pass this and this tests before you are allowed to use it. We don't care how you got there lidar, gps/astrology, camera/ai are all ok as long as you pass

each year there are millions of car accidents and tens of thousands of fatalities. Are we really sure visual detection works that great?

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

dagw wrote: post #23
erikpukinskis wrote: post #5

I’m normally quite skeptical of these kinds of “Tesla More Dangerous Than Other Brands” headlines since they tend to be B.S. But this seems like a pretty legitimate accusation, and certainly a well researched write-up at the very least.

Without knowing how many FSD miles Teslas have done compared to other brands, it's hard to judge. It could just be that Tesla owners are far more likely to trust and use their cars FSD capabilities, and thus end up in more FSD accidents. Other brands might have so bad FSD that people simply not trust it and basically never use it, and thus never get into an FSD accident.

> Other brands might have so bad FSD that people simply not trust it and basically never use it

The issue is not quite how good the automation is in absolute terms, it's how good it is vs. how it is sold. Tesla is an outlier here, right down to the use of the term "FSD" i.e. "Full Self-Driving", when it's nothing of the sort.

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