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When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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Re: When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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I guess it makes sense to say this evidences a stack-based model of human memory. push memory boy push memory ball push action kick evaluate.

Perhaps

  boy.ball.kick()
or just

  boy ball kick
This also reminds me of the way verbs can accumulate in German. (http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ReadsLikeGerman) :)

Re: When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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I guess it makes sense to say this evidences a stack-based model of human memory. push memory boy push memory ball push action kick evaluate.

Perhaps boy.ball.kick() or just boy ball kick This also reminds me of the way verbs can accumulate in German. ( http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ReadsLikeGerman ) :)

I actually can't see how that works, at least out of the languages that I know, none of them fit the dot-syntax. The only ones that do (again, in the ones I know), are the lisp variants, but you need to flip the sexpr around. (I suspect the reason why lisp is "flipped" could be because programs are action centric whereas utterances are subject centric (this is a very risky statement to make, but interesting to think about.))

Anyhow, with this in mind, translating the above is absolutely trivial:

((action kick) (object boy) (object ball)) for prefix, or

((object boy) (object ball) (action kick)) for postfix

Re: When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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post #3

Despite what the article seems to imply, S-O-V is also the most common standard word order (in number of languages, though almost certainly not in number of native speakers, given that both English & Chinese are both S-V-O)

aren't most latin language descendents S-V-O? The only S-O-V languages I can think of off the top of my head are Japanese and Korean. Anyone know about African or South American languages?

Re: When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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post #8
post #3

Despite what the article seems to imply, S-O-V is also the most common standard word order (in number of languages, though almost certainly not in number of native speakers, given that both English & Chinese are both S-V-O)

aren't most latin language descendents S-V-O? The only S-O-V languages I can think of off the top of my head are Japanese and Korean. Anyone know about African or South American languages?

Actually, French is S-O-V when you're using pronouns. Some quick testing with Google Translate suggests that Spanish might follow the same rule as well.

My first language, Bengali, an Indo-European language spoken in Bangladesh and thus distantly related to Latin, is S-O-V. I'm assuming from this that Hindi and other Indian subcontinental languages are as well.

I think S-O-V makes sense when communicating visually. Say someone kicks a ball. Initially you see a person and a ball. Then you see the person kick it. The action comes after the presence of the two objects. You don't see a person, see him kick, and only then see the ball.

Re: When using gestures, rules of grammar remain S-O-V

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post #8
post #3

Despite what the article seems to imply, S-O-V is also the most common standard word order (in number of languages, though almost certainly not in number of native speakers, given that both English & Chinese are both S-V-O)

aren't most latin language descendents S-V-O? The only S-O-V languages I can think of off the top of my head are Japanese and Korean. Anyone know about African or South American languages?

Japanese, Burmese, Basque, Latin, Pashto.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_Object_Verb

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