nice url structure you got there
http://www.sagegerard.com/blog/lay-off-w3schools/ works. Edit mode in Concrete5 does not use pretty links.
Lay off W3Schools
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#12Except w3schools isn't approachable and it isn't for beginners. It's jargon loaded and filled with a bunch of information that means nothing to beginners. Let's look the page for explaining 'div': http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_div.asp "The tag defines a division or a section in an HTML document. The tag is used to group block-elements to format them with styles." Oh, I get it. Its for grouping block-elements(??)…
From my personal experience when I was new to html and css, I was constantly referencing w3schools to look up things. Of course, your mileage may vary, but I was happy using it.
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#13> W3Schools has already announced that it's content should be used at the user's risk, which means they waive all responsibility for inexperienced users. It is not their job to babysit developers, since it is the developer's job to research other sources and improve his understanding through rigorous practice and peer feedback. That's awful advice for beginners, who have no idea why some things are good and others ar…
> "That's awful advice for beginners"
It's not bad advice to suggest that developers be stupid if they are the type to learn from their mistakes. If they are not the type to learn from their mistakes, why are we worried about them?
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#14To be fair, W3Schools is simpler, cleaner and more organized than the alternatives suggested by W3Fool. It is still the fastest way to start learning about a web technology. But perhaps it would be best if they wikify it.
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#15The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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#16> "...Some folks have started voicing hostile opinions..." A little late to the game, there. This post ignores two important points: 1. There are a lot of much better sites out there (linked to from W3Fools, even). Selectively highlighting a single post is misleading. 2. W3Fools is not so much for the benefit of W3Schools, but for people who link to W3Schools as reference in blog posts, SO answers, etc. There are lot…
#1: Where is one post highlighted? The article (lazily) acknowledges other competition, and you even quoted said acknowledgement. #2: Yes, this point is ignored because it was not really the focus. The benefit you speak of can be realized without statements like "W3SCHOOLS IS TROUBLE" in big scary letters on W3Fool's homepage. The attitudes of the people involved and the clarity of their content are the focus of the…
#1: Paragraph 3 - "...sometimes even dead silence..."
#2: OP misses the point of why there is so much hostility. If W3Schools was on page 3 for (chosen utterly at random)"getElementById" on Google, no one would care. Predictably, however, it's number 1. That's pretty dire - I would hope that the top results for common questions would be quality resources. Which W3Schools is not. There is a greater good here, which is not served by continuing to promote W3Schools the top developer resource.
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#17The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
That can be used against anything.
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#18Except w3schools isn't approachable and it isn't for beginners. It's jargon loaded and filled with a bunch of information that means nothing to beginners. Let's look the page for explaining 'div': http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_div.asp "The tag defines a division or a section in an HTML document. The tag is used to group block-elements to format them with styles." Oh, I get it. Its for grouping block-elements(??)…
> Except w3schools isn't approachable and it isn't for beginners.
I too had the exact opposite experience. I found the HTML, CSS, and Javascript tutorials extremely intuitive and well-presented when I was in 7th grade. I ate them up.
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#19nice url structure you got there
http://www.sagegerard.com/blog/lay-off-w3schools/ works. Edit mode in Concrete5 does not use pretty links.
considering you use this mess I'm not suprised you support w3schools: https://github.com/concrete5/concrete5/blob/master/web/concr...
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
#1: Where is one post highlighted? The article (lazily) acknowledges other competition, and you even quoted said acknowledgement. #2: Yes, this point is ignored because it was not really the focus. The benefit you speak of can be realized without statements like "W3SCHOOLS IS TROUBLE" in big scary letters on W3Fool's homepage. The attitudes of the people involved and the clarity of their content are the focus of the…
#1: Paragraph 3 - "...sometimes even dead silence..." #2: OP misses the point of why there is so much hostility. If W3Schools was on page 3 for (chosen utterly at random)"getElementById" on Google, no one would care. Predictably, however, it's number 1. That's pretty dire - I would hope that the top results for common questions would be quality resources. Which W3Schools is not. There is a greater good here, which is…
#1: You and I both know more examples are out there.
#2: getElementById returns developer.mozilla.org as the first result for me. Anyway, what about the point of why there is so much support? Convenience beats accuracy. I don't use W3Schools much now because I know of the inaccuracies, but I loved it as a beginner since not many sources I found were as intuitive as it.