Hey is it still too early to call it fascism you guys.
The 'Judicial Black Hole' of El Salvador's Prisons Is a Warning for Americans
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
“The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30...
The lack of evidence is evidence. Right. Also, war is peace.
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#33I don't think many people have actually contemplated what absence of law, defined as rules that apply to rich and powerful people too, is like. In a world with law, there are restriction on what society's most powerful can and can't do, because there are police officers, detectives, lawyers, and judges, who all work together to make sure there are consequences for crimes. In a world without law, the only restriction…
Americans, not content with learning from others' mistakes, will now be learning them first hand. The horrors are just beginning.
Historians, particularly ones who study fascism and Russia/Eastern Europe are already fleeing the country.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-fascism-expert-at-...
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#34It's like the UK Rwandan exile program, but somehow worse.
Far... far... worse. The Rwanda exile program at least had some concept of due process in both the UK and Rwanda. The Rwanada exile program was at least stopped when the courts told it to instead of trying to remain secret long enough to avoid the courts having a chance to forbid it, and then outright ignoring the court orders forbidding it when that failed.
Here the program is "ICE picks you up off the street, without telling anybody. Writes in some internal document that you're a foreign national member of a gang, without telling anybody or giving you a chance to challenge that. Ships you off to El Salvador's concentration camp, without telling anybody". To this date even the lawyers challenging the program don't actually know the name of everyone who was shipped to El Salvador.
Maybe somebody finds out, by looking at ICE publicity photos that you happen to be in the background of, maybe not. Maybe you are a member of the gang, maybe you're a US citizen whose never even heard of the gang. Doesn't matter, there was no chance to challenge ICEs decision. You weren't even informed of the decision, you were just put on a plane without being told why. And once you're there, even if somebody figures out that's where you are and challenges the decision on your behalf, the US has no authority to bring you back.
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#35Hey is it still too early to call it fascism you guys.
It’s always too early, until you’ll be disappeared for saying it.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the U.S. killed and imprisoned people at the rate of El Salvador, without due process and essentially at the word of mouth of random people in the community, you’d be running to the hills. Crazy that this far into Trumps disaster and people still want right wing fascist dictatorship. You might get what you want, god help us all.
Police in El Salvador start each day with a quota of people to round up and imprison without trial. If they don't meet the quota, they don't get to go home to their families. https://apnews.com/article/nayib-bukele-san-salvador-el-arre... https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/12/07/we-can-arrest-anyone-w... Frankly it's shocking every time I see people praise Bukele on Hacker News.
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#37I don't think many people have actually contemplated what absence of law, defined as rules that apply to rich and powerful people too, is like. In a world with law, there are restriction on what society's most powerful can and can't do, because there are police officers, detectives, lawyers, and judges, who all work together to make sure there are consequences for crimes. In a world without law, the only restriction…
I think we might also find that who is rich and powerful can easily get flipped upside down over night. Being rich is not actually all that hard when law enforcement exists to uphold private property rights. But without rule of law, everything is quite literally up for grabs and might will make right. I hope our business leaders are mulling this fact over and considering whether they have either the force of personal…
The crushing of margins crushes the middle class before it crushes the rich, there is no point where the rich cannot afford private security. While they may end up less wealthy in absolute terms they’ll likely end up more wealthy in relative terms.
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#38https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=We+suggest+the+Judge+contac...
“The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article30...
So essentially - ‘They are super dangerous because we have no evidence they are dangerous, which provides they are the most dangerous threat - the one that we can’t prove exists’
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument is basically that because the deportees had no due process to be deported that no due process can bring them back. The Trump administration claims that they are gang members, but provided no evidence to support this claim, and then refused to work with any members of the judicial system attempting to provide oversight. In any other administration this would be a scandal that rocks the media for months an…
yeah well on thursday he shit the bed on the economy so i guess we've moved on. stupid tariffs are one thing but the extrajudicial deportation and imprisonment is quite a worse thing if unchecked.
Comfortably wealthy US citizens aren't personally affected by these extrajudicial disappearances. It's just a headline to them. The stock market, on the other hand...
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument is basically that because the deportees had no due process to be deported that no due process can bring them back. The Trump administration claims that they are gang members, but provided no evidence to support this claim, and then refused to work with any members of the judicial system attempting to provide oversight. In any other administration this would be a scandal that rocks the media for months an…
yeah well on thursday he shit the bed on the economy so i guess we've moved on. stupid tariffs are one thing but the extrajudicial deportation and imprisonment is quite a worse thing if unchecked.
It’s classic narcissist behavior - get caught with their pants down somewhere? Set somewhere else on fire so you get distracted.