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A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by standardUser »

jgalt212 wrote: post #629
dfxm12 wrote: post #565

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Why do you think this?

Because it's a transcation and there are two parties to the transaction. And for these transaction to occur in a repeated fashion neither side should feel they are being taken advantage of.

I don't think anyone feels taken advantage of. I think most people involved in academia value the complexities and jagged edges that come with an international student body. And the outcome - the preeminent education system in the world that keeps the US at the cutting edge of science and technology and has for nearly a hundred years - is indisputable.

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Post by rendall »

KittenInABox wrote: post #676
rendall wrote: post #671

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There are US citizens who want to shoot gays, kill people different in creed or heritage, and bomb people for religious reasons. We had the gay panic defense (the legal defense to kill gay people just because you found out they were gay, and the shock justified you killing them). We had people shooting sikhs assuming they're muslim. We had folks bombing abortion clinics. There are US citizens who have done far more,…

What about is always a bad answer. It comes of a defensive.

Indeed, I agree with you. There are US citizens who want to do reprehensible things, and I still say: maybe the US is not their jam. No, I'm not advocating exile or illegal detention. Just stating a fact.

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by mpweiher »

immibis wrote: post #542
mpweiher wrote: post #447

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Incorrect: "They are accused of indirectly supporting Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organization in Germany." 2nd sentence from your link. Supporting terrorist organizations is not legal in Germany. Supporting terrorist organizations is not the same a being Pro-Palestinian. Unless you think that all Palestinians are terrorists, which I do not.

Yes, and Germany considers protests against anything Israel does in Gaza to be support for Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organization in Germany. That's why I told you: officially, protesting is legal, but they still arrest and deport people for protesting. This newspaper may not think they're the same thing, but the police do.

> Germany considers protests against anything Israel does in Gaza to be support for Hamas

This is patently untrue.

I live in Berlin and constantly see protests. Far from being too strict, the police are way to lax in enforcing applicable laws.

The Jewish community in Berlin is scared, because they feel completely left alone by the authorities. We have people running around freely in effin Berlin, right next to the Holocaust memorial calling of the extermination of the Jewish state and all Jews. And virtually nothing is being done about it.

It's perverse.

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Post by thinkcontext »

rtkwe wrote: post #405

Harvard's rolling over was particularly annoying, they have a 52 billion dollar endowment! If any university could afford to make a stand and lose funding over it it's Harvard. What's the point of this massive pile of money if you never dip into it in exceptional circumstances?

Universities typically only spend about 5% of their endowments per year, since it has to last forever. And much of it comes with restrictions on what it can be spent on, those come from the donors wishes. So money in the endowment that's for the theater department or to support an econ professorship can't be repurposed to support federal funds that supported cancer research.

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Post by anigbrowl »

rendall wrote: post #672
anigbrowl wrote: post #652

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The problem with such reflexive absolutism, as I've pointed out many times, is that you end up advocating for the speech rights of people who are advocating for genocide. I shouldn't need to point out that killing people also terminates their speech rights and that advocacy of genocide is thus an attack on free speech. You do not have to defend the free speech rights of people who are themselves attacking free speech…

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I bet you're thinking you're really clever with that context switch. I was actually talking about nazis, because posts above were complaining about left-wing cancel culture getting people fired from their jobs which is the sort of consequence that happened to quite a few extremely online nazis over the last decade.

Who taught you to argue like this? They didn't do you any favors.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

settrans wrote: post #651
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #635

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I'll bite. Most demands for self-determination were for self-rule on land already inhabited by the group in question. Zionism was unique in that it demanded self-determination on land inhabited almost 100% by a different group of people.

Given that the Jews were forcibly expelled from their homeland by the Romans, by definition, any Jewish self-determination would need to take place in a land that is at least partially[0] already inhabited. You now have two choices: 1. Deny Jews the right to self-determination altogether, continuing the dispossession of an actively persecuted people, indeed, the same one that was about to face the Holocaust in Europe…

> Given that the Jews were forcibly expelled from their homeland by the Romans

2000 years ago.

You're saying that events from millennia in the past mean that the Palestinians should have had to cede the land they lived on to a group of outsiders from Europe.

People can make of that what they may (I think it's ridiculous), but you at least have to admit that it completely invalidates your argument that Zionism is just like any other demand for self-determination. We're talking about a demand for other people's land, based on appeals to events from thousands of years ago.

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Post by cduzz »

umbra07 wrote: post #675
cduzz wrote: post #617

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Are these people in your realm being picked up off the street by the police, drugged, put into an airplane, and then being dropped into the ocean over international waters? Or are these people having the things they've said repeated widely, perhaps out of context, to other people, who then decide "sheesh, maybe I don't want to hang out with / work with this dude." ?

who did that happen to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights

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Post by mathgradthrow »

ceejayoz wrote: post #511
mathgradthrow wrote: post #506

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I'm not arguing in favor of el salvadoran prisons, but he's not in an el salvadoran prison. He's being charged with being in violation of his Visa. And yes, I do expect you to report the time that you "Interned" at the UNRWA. This organization has always operated tightly with Hamas and the PA, and if I'm establishing your background, I need to know about it so that I can investigate it, period. I don't need to know a…

> I'm not arguing in favor of el salvadoran prisons, but he's not in an el salvadoran prison. He might wind up there; a judge has halted the deportation process for now. The administration is demonstrably sending folks (some with no criminal record: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit... ) there, including via "clerical error" they can't undo ( https://apnews.com/video/white-house-says-maryla…

he was working for thw UNRWA during october of 2023. This needs to be mentioned on your visa application.

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Post by cduzz »

umbra07 wrote: post #675
cduzz wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these people in your realm being picked up off the street by the police, drugged, put into an airplane, and then being dropped into the ocean over international waters? Or are these people having the things they've said repeated widely, perhaps out of context, to other people, who then decide "sheesh, maybe I don't want to hang out with / work with this dude." ?

who did that happen to?

Or did you mean

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/455751-engineer-claims...

?

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by mathgradthrow »

altacc wrote: post #430
trentnix wrote: post #235

If you don’t want to be subject to the whims of whoever is in office, don’t take the poison pill of government money.

If only politics was limited to affecting those who opted in. But mostly government shouldn't be the whims of one individual, it should be much more considered than that.

These do not represent the whims of one person. Donald Trump was elected.
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