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Re: AI 2027

#431
The story is entertaining, but it has a big fallacy - progress is not a function of compute or model size alone. This kind of mistake is almost magical thinking. What matters most is the training set.

During the GPT-3 era there was plenty of organic text to scale into, and compute seemed to be the bottleneck. But we quickly exhausted it, and now we try other ideas - synthetic reasoning chains, or just plain synthetic text for example. But you can't do that fully in silico.

What is necessary in order to create new and valuable text is exploration and validation. LLMs can ideate very well, so we are covered on that side. But we can only automate validation in math and code, but not in other fields.

Real world validation thus becomes the bottleneck for progress. The world is jealously guarding its secrets and we need to spend exponentially more effort to pry them away, because the low hanging fruit has been picked long ago.

If I am right, it has implications on the speed of progress. Exponential friction of validation is opposing exponential scaling of compute. The story also says an AI could be created in secret, which is against the validation principle - we validate faster together, nobody can secretly outvalidate humanity. It's like blockchain, we depend on everyone else.

Re: AI 2027

#432

Though I think it is probably mostly science-fiction, this is one of the more chillingly thorough descriptions of potential AGI takeoff scenarios that I've seen. I think part of the problem is that the world you get if you go with the "Slowdown"/somewhat more aligned world is still pretty rough for humans: What's the point of our existence if we have no way to meaningfully contribute to our own world? I hope we're wr…

I think two years is entirely reasonable timeline.

Re: AI 2027

#433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> superpersuasion _already works_ Is this demonstrated in any public research? Unless you just mean something like "good at persuading" -- which is different from my understanding of the term -- I find this hard to believe.

No, I meant "good at persuading", it is not 100% efficiency of course.

That singularity happened in the fifth century BCE when people figured out that they could charge silver to teach the art of rhetoric and not just teach their sons and nephews

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post #404

It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here. The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corpo…

> The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corporations”, and voila, you have a story about the climate crisis and regulatory capture). Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet? Carbon emissions are down in every western country since 1990s. Not down per-capita, but down in abs…

> Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet?

Can you point to data that this is 'because' of corporations rather than despite them.

Re: AI 2027

#435
post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corporations”, and voila, you have a story about the climate crisis and regulatory capture). Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet? Carbon emissions are down in every western country since 1990s. Not down per-capita, but down in abs…

> Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet? Can you point to data that this is 'because' of corporations rather than despite them.

Burden of proof lies on you, since you mentioned corporations first

Re: AI 2027

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post #404

It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here. The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corpo…

> The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corporations”, and voila, you have a story about the climate crisis and regulatory capture). Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet? Carbon emissions are down in every western country since 1990s. Not down per-capita, but down in abs…

I think a healthy amount of skepticism is warranted when reading about the "reduction" of carbon emissions by companies. Why should we take them at their word when they have a vested interest in fudging the numbers?

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#437
My issue with this is that it's focused on one single, very detailed narrative (the battle between China and the US, played on a timeframe of mere months), while lacking any interesting discussion of other consequences of AI: what its impact is going to be on the job markets, employment rates, GDPs, political choices... Granted, if by this narrative the world is essentially ending two/ three years from now, then there isn't much time for any of those impacts to actually take place- but I don't think this is explicitly indicated either. If I am not mistaken, the bottom line of this essay is that, in all cases, we're five years away from the Singularity itself (I don't care what you think about the idea of Singularity with its capital S but that's what this is about).

Re: AI 2027

#438
post #404

It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here. The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corpo…

> The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corporations”, and voila, you have a story about the climate crisis and regulatory capture). Can you point to the data that suggests these evil corporations are ruining the planet? Carbon emissions are down in every western country since 1990s. Not down per-capita, but down in abs…

He must be talking about the good, benevolent Western corporations that have outsourced their carbon emissions to the evil and greedy Chinese and Indian corporations.
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