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Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are valuable things out there other than "physical goods".

Well, how are going to charge for them? For example, how to deal with Steam? most of the games I buy there (Baldurs Gate 3 for e.g.) are not made in the USA.

And USA get 30% (or 20% depending on the studio) of the price you paid. Do you use Android, windows or Apple, or any licensed software?

Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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When they talk about trade deficits do they take into account tourism and other cross-border services? Or is it just goods, and in that case why focus on goods?

Generally they are just goods. It’s much easier to measure physical goods crossing customs. It’s very difficult to measure whether that guy in your restaurant was a tourist or not. And that’s the simple case believe it or not… This is one of the reasons service oriented economies seem to run huge deficits…

I software and IT services (cloud) etc. "goods" or not here? As far as I know that very large sector is not included in that calculation. A follow up question is how US company subsidiaries located in Europe are counted - the gains all end up in the US eventually (or at the very least the money streams are under US control), but it does not count as a US export? I have sooo many questions.

Everything is Microsoft and Co. in Europe and elsewhere, both the OS and things like AWS or Office 365 subscriptions.

Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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When they talk about trade deficits do they take into account tourism and other cross-border services? Or is it just goods, and in that case why focus on goods?

> When they talk about trade deficits do they take into account tourism and other services? If the USA wants tourists, they better ensure not to annoy tourists by their visa policy, or even by detaining tourists: > Germany Issues Travel Warning for US > https://www.newsweek.com/germany-issues-travel-warning-us-20...

It's made me reconsider visiting. ATM, if I do go, I'll most likely go via Ireland where most of the border checks are done before getting on the plane rather than when getting to the states.

However, the article you linked to states its not an offical travel warning, more like an advisory.

> But they also stressed that this change does not count as an official travel warning

Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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The USA captures most of the value from selling iPhones worldwide, but yet the entire value of an iPhone counts only as a Chinese export. Something is not right with how we calculate these things.

Unless I got it completely wrong, the beauty of this ambiguity is that one can make two radically different arguments based on it, depending on who we're trying to impress. Do you want to praise the USA? Here. Do you want to tax China? Also here.

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This looks like the end of story is that the US will consume less, "more expensive" and home made. I think it will have disastrous consequences for the U.S IF the rest of the world keeps trading free. There will be more jobs in the U.S but in the end will become a more inefficient market.

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A long time ago, Britain was the dominant economic power in the world. Britain had a massive trade deficit with India. It imported far more from India than it exported to India. But what Britain did was import massive amounts from India and made high value goods at home and provided high value services that couldn't be provided elsewhere. Should it have flipped the other way? In 1800, should Britain have suddenly shi…

> The only way to balance that is to make things they can afford. Which means low value items.

How about the US pays them well for their work so they can afford all these "high value" items?

Oh no, we economically enslaved all these people to our clothing in sweatshops for pennies an hour, but now they're not buying our...1000$ tablets that don't even have a calculator app...or whatever else the US considers "high value"... Oh how terrible!

Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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The USA captures most of the value from selling iPhones worldwide, but yet the entire value of an iPhone counts only as a Chinese export. Something is not right with how we calculate these things.

iPhone sales don't count as a US export when calculating the trade deficit? Does anyone have information on this? Seems like a major issue indeed.

Of course they don't because they are made in China. Do you think that Ford cars manufactured in Mexico count as U.S export?

Re: Growing trade deficit is selling the nation out from under us (2003) [pdf]

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post #51
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, how are going to charge for them? For example, how to deal with Steam? most of the games I buy there (Baldurs Gate 3 for e.g.) are not made in the USA.

And USA get 30% (or 20% depending on the studio) of the price you paid. Do you use Android, windows or Apple, or any licensed software?

> any physical USA goods

Do you see the word "physical" in my original comment? And me saying that I don't buy such things?

I will admit to buying Intel CPUs, but aren't they manufactured in the Far East?

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