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Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by bryanlarsen »

palmotea wrote: post #68
toomuchtodo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The politics are important, and that effort must continue, but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. When they have distressed assets to sell, farmland, homes, businesses, I am ready to buy at a substantial discount. I have prepared to lever up with access to debt for this opportunity, and I recommend others who can do so. I want to buy when there is blood in the streets (economically), but only t…

> ...but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. That's kind of an asshole move. Did people react to having their communities and livelihoods damaged by neoliberalism, in a way not approved by economically advantaged software engineers? Don't try to solve their problems in a better way, try to fuck them even harder instead! We should teach 'em to get fucked and not complain! If you want to target an…

That's not why they're targeting conservative voters. They're targeting the states & districts of senators and congressmen who are voting for Trump's agenda in an effort to get them to change their vote.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by bathtub365 »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #19

> Let’s do the math: Take a kid’s bike that retails at a big box store for $ 150. Let’s assume that bike costs $ 30 to make. The rest of the cost is shipping to the U.S., warehousing, transport to the store, marketing, admin costs, customer service, warranty, retailer profits, etc. Whether the bike is made in China, Vietnam or Cambodia, the new 34-38% tariffs will increase the cost by ‘only’ $ 10-12. (The old tariffs…

This is also assuming no one along the supply chain will take advantage of the situation to put some more money in their pocket above the tariff (be it out of greed or uncertainty)

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by 9rx »

typeofhuman wrote: post #16

"the age of tariffs" ah yes, typical ethnocentric point of view of the US. Does the author not know other nations have been engaged in charging tariffs for a very long time?

> Does the author not know other nations have been engaged in charging tariffs for a very long time?

And, unlike the US, none of them the envy of the world because of it. It is fascinating that the US has decided it wants to give up what it has to be become like them. It is akin to watching a supermodel get surgery to make themselves uglier because everyone they saw around them wasn't nearly as beautiful as they were. Likewise, we no doubt would come up with some kind of catchphrase to recognize that surprising event.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by giraffe_lady »

mmooss wrote: post #28

An essential question is, what is the political angle for Trump and the right wing? They know what they are doing. They know it will cause economic calamity. They often seek to create calamity and crisis - with Covid; spreading fear (of immigrants, etc.), hatred and violence; disrupting health, education, and housing; international peace and security (NATO, Ukraine, etc.). You never see them spreading calm and peace…

The tech-right of musk, thiel, vance, andreessen etc are enacting the "reboot" envisioned by curtis yarvin, he wrote about it calling it "the butterfly revolution" iirc. The rest are just trying to roll back 80 years of social change along with reestablishing segregation but as national policy this time.

And yeah I think your read on how they'll manage the fallout of this is correct.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by palmotea »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #71
palmotea wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. That's kind of an asshole move. Did people react to having their communities and livelihoods damaged by neoliberalism, in a way not approved by economically advantaged software engineers? Don't try to solve their problems in a better way, try to fuck them even harder instead! We should teach 'em to get fucked and not complain! If you want to target an…

That's not why they're targeting conservative voters. They're targeting the states & districts of senators and congressmen who are voting for Trump's agenda in an effort to get them to change their vote.

> That's not why they're targeting conservative voters. They're targeting the states & districts of senators and congressmen who are voting for Trump's agenda in an effort to get them to change their vote.

No. The post I was responding to literally was talking about personally taking advantage of conservative voters, not their representatives. The post above that talked about "punishing everyone involved in this tax hike to the maximum extent. It's pretty clear it's just a "fuck you," aimed at regular people.

No introspection, no proposals for solving the problems that would cause people to give tariffs a chance, just punishment. It's neoliberals saying, "we don't give two shit about you, if you resist our beatings, we'll just beat your harder for being uppity."

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by [deleted] »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #47
whatshisface wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already been swindled once, man.

I will quote a recent exchange: “How do you feel about this economic path? Are you concerned at all about the harm this will cause?” “It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.” Certainly, always compassion and empathy for compassionate people. I am a very empathetic and compassionate person myself, I will give you the shirt off my back. For everyone else? Hard times ahead, as compassion and empathy have l…

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Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by palmotea »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #47
whatshisface wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already been swindled once, man.

I will quote a recent exchange: “How do you feel about this economic path? Are you concerned at all about the harm this will cause?” “It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.” Certainly, always compassion and empathy for compassionate people. I am a very empathetic and compassionate person myself, I will give you the shirt off my back. For everyone else? Hard times ahead, as compassion and empathy have l…

> “How do you feel about this economic path? Are you concerned at all about the harm this will cause?”

> “It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.”

What was done when the steel belt became the rust belt? Mostly finger wagging. I'm sure a lot of free traders would have the same response about all the harm their chosen polices caused.

But of course, more compassion is expected from some poor guy in a rust belt town, even after he's gotten very little compassion himself. How dare he not think about the rich coastal software engineers when he's in the ballot box!

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by typeofhuman »

partiallypro wrote: post #20
typeofhuman wrote: post #16

"the age of tariffs" ah yes, typical ethnocentric point of view of the US. Does the author not know other nations have been engaged in charging tariffs for a very long time?

The world's most powerful consumer country putting broad tariffs on all imports that will be historically as high as the 1800s and higher than most any other major economy is indeed a move to an "age of tariffs" and is a bfd.

The "age of tariffs" would better describe the state US businesses have been suffering from - unbeknownst to the average consumer - for a very long time.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by mullingitover »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #47
whatshisface wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already been swindled once, man.

I will quote a recent exchange: “How do you feel about this economic path? Are you concerned at all about the harm this will cause?” “It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.” Certainly, always compassion and empathy for compassionate people. I am a very empathetic and compassionate person myself, I will give you the shirt off my back. For everyone else? Hard times ahead, as compassion and empathy have l…

> “It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.”

As they say, hatred is like drinking a poison and then waiting for the other person to die.

A lot of hateful people out there eagerly guzzling poison these days.

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