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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by dgunay »

coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

I think the point is that for a lot of them there are endless possible alternatives to the character design, but it still generates one with the exact same design. Why can't, for example, the image of Tomb Raider have a different colored tank top? Why is she wearing a tank top and not a shirt? Why does she have to have a gun? Why is she a busty, attractive brunette? These are all things that could be different but the dominance of Lara Croft's image and strong association with the words "tomb raider" in popular culture clearly influences the model's output.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#102

Post by layer8 »

why_at wrote: post #85
alkonaut wrote: post #57

This isn't surprising in any way is it? And it just goes to show that no model will ever be a box from which you can trust the output isn't tainted by copyrights, or that you don't inadvertently use someones' likeness. It's not a copyright laundering machine. Nor will it be used as one. "But I used an AI model" isn't some magic way to avoid legal trouble. You are in as much legal trouble using these images as you are…

Yeah I don't really understand what the thesis of this article is. Copyright infringement would apply to any of those images just the same as if you made them yourself. I don't think it's possible to create an "alien which has acid for blood and a small sharp mouth within a bigger mouth" without anybody seeing a connection to Alien, even if it doesn't look anything like the original.

Your second paragraph may be true, but the mere abstract presence of those features wouldn’t infringe copyright.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#103

Post by the_af »

kridsdale3 wrote: post #98
the_af wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think framing this as "IP theft" is a mistake. Nobody can prevent you from drawing a photo realistic picture of Indy, or taking a photo of him from the internet and hanging it on your fridge. Or asking a friend to do it for you. And let's be honest -- because nobody is looking -- said friend could even charge you a modest sum to draw a realistic picture of Indy for you to hang on your fridge; yes, it's "illegal" bu…

I would argue that countless games have already been made by top tier professional artists that IP-Steal the Ghibli theme. Breath of the Wild, and Tears of the Kingdom should be included there.

I don't think those look like Ghibli. Maybe they drew inspiration, but are different enough. I would never confuse one for the other.

Regardless, those games required the hard work and countless hours of animators. Gen AI doesn't.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#104

Post by pwarner »

mvieira38 wrote: post #96
coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

It's an IP theft machine. Humans wouldn't be allowed to publish these pictures for profit, but OpenAI is allowed to "generate" them?

To me a lot has to do with what a human does with them one the tool generates them no?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by gavmor »

htrp wrote: post #77
traverseda wrote: post #71

I don't understand why problems like this aren't solved by vector similarity search. Indiana Jones lives in a particular part of vector space. Two close to one of the licensed properties you care to censor the generation of? Push that vector around. Honestly detecting whether a given sentence is a thinly veiled reference to indiana jones seems to be exactly the kind of thing AI vector search is going to be good at.

Not worth it to compute the embedding for Indy and a "bull-whip archaeologist" most guardrails operate at the input level it seems?

> Not worth it to compute the embedding for Indy

If IP holders submit embeddings for their IP, how can image generators "warp" the latent space around a set of embeddings so that future inferences slide around and avoid them--not perfectly, or literally, but as a function of distance, say, following a power curve?

Maybe by "Finding non-linear RBF paths in GAN latent space"[0] to create smooth detours around protected regions.

0. https://openaccess.thecvf.com/content/ICCV2021/papers/Tzelep...

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#107

Post by echoangle »

dgunay wrote: post #101
coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

I think the point is that for a lot of them there are endless possible alternatives to the character design, but it still generates one with the exact same design. Why can't, for example, the image of Tomb Raider have a different colored tank top? Why is she wearing a tank top and not a shirt? Why does she have to have a gun? Why is she a busty, attractive brunette? These are all things that could be different but th…

And how is that bad or surprising? It’s actually what I would expect from how AI works.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#108

Post by why_at »

mvieira38 wrote: post #96
coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

It's an IP theft machine. Humans wouldn't be allowed to publish these pictures for profit, but OpenAI is allowed to "generate" them?

I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around the law here because copyright is often very confusing.

If I ask an artist to draw me a picture of Indiana Jones and they do it would that be copyright infringement? Even if it's just for my personal use?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

#109

Post by jmull »

coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

Normally (well, if you're ethical) credit is given.

Also, there are IP limits of various sorts (e.g. copyright, trademark) for various purposes (some arguably good, some arguably bad), and some freedoms (e.g., fair use). There's no issue if this follows the rules... but I don't see where that's implemented here.

It looks like they may be selling IP they don't own the right to.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by coderenegade »

dgunay wrote: post #101
coderenegade wrote: post #90

I don't see why this is an issue? The prompts imply obvious and well-known characters, and don't make it clear that they want an original answer. Most humans would probably give you similar answers if you didn't add an additional qualifier like "not Indiana Jones". The only difference is that a human can't exactly reproduce the likeness of a famous character without significant time and effort. The real issue here is…

I think the point is that for a lot of them there are endless possible alternatives to the character design, but it still generates one with the exact same design. Why can't, for example, the image of Tomb Raider have a different colored tank top? Why is she wearing a tank top and not a shirt? Why does she have to have a gun? Why is she a busty, attractive brunette? These are all things that could be different but th…

Because it's not clear that that's what you want. What's the context? Are we playing a game where I guess a character? Is it a design session for a new character based on a well known one, maybe a sidekick? Is it a new take on an old character? Are you just trying to remember what a well-known character looks like, and giving a brief prompt?

It's not clear what the asker wants, and the obvious answer is probably the culturally relevant one. Hell, I'd give you the same answers as the AI did here if I had the ability to spit out perfect replicas.

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