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Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by 9rx »

mmooss wrote: post #31
9rx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are we throwing it away again? Because we haven't figured out how to square allowing people the freedom to work in the industries they please, no matter where in the world that industry has found itself, with allowing countries to strictly limit who is allowed inside its borders. The "just learn to code" message never sat well with those who have no interest in coding and now they are rising up to try and take…

I've never heard that. I don't think many people migrate for specific industries. People migrate to have any job and some income, regardless of industry. Am I not thinking of some population?

> I don't think many people migrate for specific industries.

"Brain drain" is a always hot topic in my country. Many people from here move to the US for access to certain industries, tech included. They aren't going there to do whatever arbitrary work they can find.

Those in the US who love manufacturing aren't moving to China, but that's the issue: They, unless they have something really unique to offer, are going to find it difficult to. Hence why they want to see that work "brought home".

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

#43

Post by whatshisface »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #39
mullingitover wrote: post #13

I've never been a political donor, I might've thrown $20 into a small donation a couple times. However, it seems financially irresponsible not to pour everything up to the legal limit into punishing everyone involved in this tax hike to the maximum extent.

The politics are important, and that effort must continue, but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. When they have distressed assets to sell, farmland, homes, businesses, I am ready to buy at a substantial discount. I have prepared to lever up with access to debt for this opportunity, and I recommend others who can do so. I want to buy when there is blood in the streets (economically), but only t…

They've already been swindled once, man.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by crawdog »

The supply chain impact on manufacturers in the US on contracts is overlooked in this tariff fiasco. For example - auto manufacturers enter into long term agreements as a fixed price for a product. The only negotiation point they may have to reset that price would be a government action, which a tariff checks the box. The genie is out of the bottle, lots of contracts will be negotiated and prices will go up.

I would like to think this is some kind of 4-d chess game to avoid rate hikes and to devalue the dollar, but on implementation it will accomplish none of the above with a sprinkle of recession.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

#45

Post by mmooss »

9rx wrote: post #41
mmooss wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard that. I don't think many people migrate for specific industries. People migrate to have any job and some income, regardless of industry. Am I not thinking of some population?

> I don't think many people migrate for specific industries. "Brain drain" is a always hot topic in my country. Many people from here move to the US for access to certain industries, tech included. They aren't going there to do whatever arbitrary work they can find. Those in the US who love manufacturing aren't moving to China, but that's the issue: They, unless they have something really unique to offer, are going t…

> "Brain drain"

That's a good point; I wasn't thinking of that. Still, the number of immigrants to the US for 'brain drain' jobs I'd guess is relatively small, and Trump supports them to some degree - he likes wealthy immigrants, including in tech. Remember the recent (H-1B?) visa controversy.

> Those who love manufacturing

Is that really a passion for many people, working on an assembly line? I've read about it as a necessary job to pay the bills that almost nobody likes, and they want their kids to have someting better, etc.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by rahkiin »

taude wrote: post #7
sandworm101 wrote: post #2

>> Our rulers seem to think that the U.S. imports more than it exports, so the net effect will be positive. It is eye opening to see people so casually speak of American "rulers". Not politicians. Not business leaders. Rulers. That's new.

people forget he was voted in.

To be president, leader of the executive branch. He is using executive powers ignoring congress and actively ignores judges putting himself above all branches. That was not votes on

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

#47

Post by toomuchtodo »

whatshisface wrote: post #43
toomuchtodo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The politics are important, and that effort must continue, but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. When they have distressed assets to sell, farmland, homes, businesses, I am ready to buy at a substantial discount. I have prepared to lever up with access to debt for this opportunity, and I recommend others who can do so. I want to buy when there is blood in the streets (economically), but only t…

They've already been swindled once, man.

I will quote a recent exchange:

“How do you feel about this economic path? Are you concerned at all about the harm this will cause?”

“It’ll hurt but I’d vote for him again in a heartbeat.”

Certainly, always compassion and empathy for compassionate people. I am a very empathetic and compassionate person myself, I will give you the shirt off my back. For everyone else? Hard times ahead, as compassion and empathy have limits. Kindness is not weakness.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by dfadsadsf »

rstarast wrote: post #11

With the huge differences in per-country tariff, there seems to be a large incentive to reroute and relabel imports. E.g., build a bike frame in China, export it to a sister company in Japan, and export it to the US from there, claiming production in Japan. How effective are existing controls against that? (And what are they even, I'm ignorant.)

I assume that if it’s done at scale it will change trade balance and middlemen country will see their import taxes rise. It actually creates self interest for countries to prevent this behavior and block such activity as it will hurt genuine export.

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by alkonaut »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #39
mullingitover wrote: post #13

I've never been a political donor, I might've thrown $20 into a small donation a couple times. However, it seems financially irresponsible not to pour everything up to the legal limit into punishing everyone involved in this tax hike to the maximum extent.

The politics are important, and that effort must continue, but also directly targeting conservative voters economically. When they have distressed assets to sell, farmland, homes, businesses, I am ready to buy at a substantial discount. I have prepared to lever up with access to debt for this opportunity, and I recommend others who can do so. I want to buy when there is blood in the streets (economically), but only t…

Retaliatory tariffs from the EU have repeatedly targeted things like Bourbon, in order to target specific parts of the US (likely mostly aimed at certain politicians, but also at voters I imagine).

Re: Bikes in the age of tariffs

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Post by 9rx »

mmooss wrote: post #45
9rx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think many people migrate for specific industries. "Brain drain" is a always hot topic in my country. Many people from here move to the US for access to certain industries, tech included. They aren't going there to do whatever arbitrary work they can find. Those in the US who love manufacturing aren't moving to China, but that's the issue: They, unless they have something really unique to offer, are going t…

> "Brain drain" That's a good point; I wasn't thinking of that. Still, the number of immigrants to the US for 'brain drain' jobs I'd guess is relatively small, and Trump supports them to some degree - he likes wealthy immigrants, including in tech. Remember the recent (H-1B?) visa controversy. > Those who love manufacturing Is that really a passion for many people, working on an assembly line? I've read about it as a…

> Still, the number of immigrants to the US for 'brain drain' jobs I'd guess is relatively small

Right, but it's the converse that is the issue: Americans wanting to do jobs that aren't found (or only found in a limited way) in America. Trump also supports them. The intent is to see things like manufacturing jobs happen more often on American soil so that Americans can do those jobs.

> Is that really a passion for many people, working on an assembly line?

The idea of it is, at least. I know a lot of people who have impressive manufacturing facilities in their garages just to support it as a hobby. Manufacturing is clearly a relatively common passion. You may have a point that they might come to hate the work if it became their daily reality, but the emotions that drive this sort of thing are never grounded in logic. Besides, it is not like they love the burgers they are flipping right now.

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