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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by smackeyacky »

derektank wrote: post #17
Carrok wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just doing what many human artists would do I really don't think so. If I paid a human artist to make the prompt in the title, and I didn't explicitly say "Indiana Jones" I would think it should be fairly obvious to the human artist that I do _not_ want Indiana Jones. If they gave me back a picture of, clearly, Indiana Jones, I would ask them why they didn't create something original.

I actually don't think it would be obvious. By not explicitly saying Indiana Jones when so obviously describing Indiana Jones, there is an implication present. But I think many human artists would probably ask you, "Wait, so Indiana Jones, or are you looking for something different," before immediately diving in.

This seems pretty easy to test - can we just change the prompt to specifically exclude Indiana Jones?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by shadowgovt »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #45

Obviously a horrible hideous theft machine. One thing I would say, it's interesting to consider what would make this not so obviously bad. Like, we could ask AI to assess the physical attributes of the characters it generated. Then ask it to permute some of those attributes. Generate some random tweaks: ok but brawy, short, and a different descent. Do similarly on some clothing colors. Change the game. Hit the "rando…

> Obviously a horrible hideous theft machine.

I mean... If I go to Google right now and do an image search for "archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip," the first picture is a not-even-changed image of Indiana Jones. Which I will then copy and paste into whatever project I'm working on without clicking through to the source page (usually because the source page is an ad-ridden mess).

Perhaps the Internet itself is the hideous theft machine, and AI is just the most efficient permutation of user interface onto it.

(Incidentally, if you do that search, you will also, hilariously, turn up images of an older gentleman dressed in a brown coat and hat who is clearly meant to be "The Indiana Jones you got on Wish" from a photo-licensing site. The entire exercise of trying to extract wealth via exclusive access to memetic constructs is a fraught one).

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by eMPee584 »

Electricniko wrote: post #24
IgorPartola wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I pay you to tell me the plot of Indiana Jones, privately, because I don’t have time to watch it, and you agree, did you violate copyright laws? If you do it for free, is it different? If I ask a friend to draw me as Indiana Jones? Or pay an artist? In either case I just want that picture to put in my rec room, not to sell.

OpenAI is currently valued at $300 billion, and their product is largely based on copying the copyrighted works of others, who weren't paid by OpenAI. It's a bit (exponentially) different from a "me and you" example.

It's not copying - it's assimilating..

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by prerok »

IAmBroom wrote: post #33
chimpanzee wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summarization is generally not copyright infringement. Private copying and transference, even once for a friend, is copyright infringement. I don’t necessarily agree with this, but it is true nonetheless.

"Private copying and transference, even once for a friend, is copyright infringement." Not without money or equivalent trade involved. I can draw Mickey Mouse all day on my notebook, and hand it to you; no legal issues. If I charge you a pack of bubble gum - Disney's lawyers will kick my door down and serve me notice.

Not true. There were many cease and desist orders for fanfiction, which was intended as open source.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by mppm »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #2

And? What's the model supposed to do? It's just doing what many human artists would do, if they're not explicitly being paid to create new IP. If infringement is happening, it arguably doesn't happen when an infringing work product is generated (or regurgitated, or whatever you want to call it.) Much less when the model is trained. It's when the output is used commercially -- by a human -- that the liability should r…

> What's the model supposed to do? It's just doing what many human artists would do, if they're not explicitly being paid to create new IP.

Not really? Why would a human artist create a faithful reproduction of Indiana Jones when asked to paint an archeologist? And besides, if they did, it would be considered clear IP infringement if the result were used commercially.

> If infringement is happening, it arguably doesn't happen when an infringing work product is generated (or regurgitated, or whatever you want to call it.) Much less when the model is trained. It's when the output is used commercially -- by a human -- that the liability should rightfully attach.

I agree. Release groups, torrent sites and seedbox operators should not be wrongly accused of pirating movies. Piracy only occurs in the act of actually watching a movie without paying, and should not be prosecuted without definitive proof of such (¬‿¬)

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by alkonaut »

This isn't surprising in any way is it? And it just goes to show that no model will ever be a box from which you can trust the output isn't tainted by copyrights, or that you don't inadvertently use someones' likeness. It's not a copyright laundering machine. Nor will it be used as one. "But I used an AI model" isn't some magic way to avoid legal trouble. You are in as much legal trouble using these images as you are using the "originals".

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by shadowgovt »

GPerson wrote: post #54

I just think it’s stealing, and honestly not that cool once you’ve seen it once or twice, and given the ramifications for humanity.

I know of no other type of theft that results in more of something existing in the world. Stealing deprives someone of something; copying data (from training an AI all the way to pedestrian "YoU wOuLdN'T DoWnLoAd a cAr" early-aughts file-sharing) decreases scarcity, it doesn't increase it.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by littlecranky67 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #45

Obviously a horrible hideous theft machine. One thing I would say, it's interesting to consider what would make this not so obviously bad. Like, we could ask AI to assess the physical attributes of the characters it generated. Then ask it to permute some of those attributes. Generate some random tweaks: ok but brawy, short, and a different descent. Do similarly on some clothing colors. Change the game. Hit the "rando…

But I can hire an artist and ask him to draw me a picture of Indiana Jones, he creates a perfect copy and I hang it on my fridge. Where did I (or the artist) violate any copyright (or other) laws? It is the artist that is replaced by the AI, not the copyrighted IP.
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