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The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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They’re not saints, especially with the games distribution platform monopoly they’re sitting on top of, but... I really think Valve have become the de-facto owners of the “don’t be evil” motto nowadays, even if they don’t advertise themselves as such.

How do you qualify them as a monopoly?

I have 3 different non-Steam game stores and another 3 or 4 non-Steam game-specific launchers on my PC.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #9

Does that mean it can run Steam games offline and DRM-free?

You can run steam games offline on a regular PC.

But I think you're trying to make a point about Steam DRM.

Someone once said; there are two DRMs that everyone loves, Apple and Steam.

And I have to say it's true. I am normally not a proponent of DRM, I've been pirating since TURBO 250 tapes on c64, but I do love Steam. I love it for what Gabe has done for us gamers on Linux.

In my opinion he deserves 30%.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #8

They’re not saints, especially with the games distribution platform monopoly they’re sitting on top of, but... I really think Valve have become the de-facto owners of the “don’t be evil” motto nowadays, even if they don’t advertise themselves as such.

Not only is Steam not a monopoly, TFA mentions how it’s possible to easily install alternative app stores on the Steam Deck. It’s not just factually wrong to call them a monopoly, it’s uncharitable given that they are not engaging in anticompetitive practices despite being in a position (and arguably having the right) to do so.

They have an implicit most favored nation clause which is by definition anti-competitive.

Valve takes 30%. You can’t, in practice, sell your game on Steam and on another store at a lower price. That’s anticompetitive.

Downvote me if you want. But I recommend reading the transcripts from the Wolfire Games antitrust lawsuit against Valve before you do! They’re not a good look for Valve to say the least.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #11

They’re not saints, especially with the games distribution platform monopoly they’re sitting on top of, but... I really think Valve have become the de-facto owners of the “don’t be evil” motto nowadays, even if they don’t advertise themselves as such.

How do you qualify them as a monopoly? I have 3 different non-Steam game stores and another 3 or 4 non-Steam game-specific launchers on my PC.

>How do you qualify them as a monopoly?

If you're a game dev, small or big it doesn't matter, and your game isn't on Steam, it might as well not exist. The sales and exposure of a game on Steam dwarf all other alternate PC storefronts. Even Ubisoft caved in and released their games on Steam.

Monopoly doesn't mean being the only game in town, you can have 100 other competitors, but if your competitors have 90% then you're basically a monopoly.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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Sounds like the Switch 2 might be a bit more powerful and similarly priced to the 3-year-old Deck. But even if Switch’s hardware feature set was substantially better, Steam’s much cheaper (and more expansive) library is still the killer feature. I don’t think the Switch 1’s Zelda launch title has ever been discounted lower than $40 despite being 8 years old. On Steam, virtually every top title will be 50% within 2 years, if not 1.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you qualify them as a monopoly? I have 3 different non-Steam game stores and another 3 or 4 non-Steam game-specific launchers on my PC.

>How do you qualify them as a monopoly? If you're a game dev, small or big it doesn't matter, and your game isn't on Steam, it might as well not exist. The sales and exposure of a game on Steam dwarf all other alternate PC storefronts. Even Ubisoft caved in and released their games on Steam. Monopoly doesn't mean being the only game in town, you can have 100 other competitors, but if your competitors have 90% then yo…

>If you're a game dev, small or big it doesn't matter, and your game isn't on Steam, it might as well not exist

That's an exaggeration.

World of Warcraft, COD, League of Legends, all exist just fine. For brand new games, The Bazaar is doing very well and they're using their own launcher.

(Slightly off-topic, but The Bazaar is really good, for anyone who likes card-based auto-battler games! Highly recommend.)

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How do you qualify them as a monopoly? If you're a game dev, small or big it doesn't matter, and your game isn't on Steam, it might as well not exist. The sales and exposure of a game on Steam dwarf all other alternate PC storefronts. Even Ubisoft caved in and released their games on Steam. Monopoly doesn't mean being the only game in town, you can have 100 other competitors, but if your competitors have 90% then yo…

> If you're a game dev, small or big it doesn't matter, and your game isn't on Steam, it might as well not exist That's an exaggeration. World of Warcraft, COD, League of Legends, all exist just fine. For brand new games, The Bazaar is doing very well and they're using their own launcher. (Slightly off-topic, but The Bazaar is really good, for anyone who likes card-based auto-battler games! Highly recommend.)

Those games are the exceptions that prove the rule. There's some major gaming franchises out there that basically have their own gravity field at this point and can drive people to different storefronts(Fortnite, Minecraft, etc), but outside of those games, forget it, if your new game isn't a AAAA blockbuster and isn't on Steam, most people won't really carea bout it.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #8

They’re not saints, especially with the games distribution platform monopoly they’re sitting on top of, but... I really think Valve have become the de-facto owners of the “don’t be evil” motto nowadays, even if they don’t advertise themselves as such.

Not only is Steam not a monopoly, TFA mentions how it’s possible to easily install alternative app stores on the Steam Deck. It’s not just factually wrong to call them a monopoly, it’s uncharitable given that they are not engaging in anticompetitive practices despite being in a position (and arguably having the right) to do so.

> given that they are not engaging in anticompetitive practices

Well, not quite. They did get sued for having "anticompetitive restraints on pricing" and "Federal Judge John C. Coughenour ruled that those claims were credible and that Steam gamers can claim compensation for Valve's illegal monopoly, but gamers, unlike developers, must file individual arbitrations to do so."

(Their ToS wouldn't allow gamers to form a class action, but developers were apparently allowed to.)

So, perhaps not all good.

(From https://www.bucherlawfirm.com/steam-case-explained)

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only is Steam not a monopoly, TFA mentions how it’s possible to easily install alternative app stores on the Steam Deck. It’s not just factually wrong to call them a monopoly, it’s uncharitable given that they are not engaging in anticompetitive practices despite being in a position (and arguably having the right) to do so.

They have an implicit most favored nation clause which is by definition anti-competitive. Valve takes 30%. You can’t, in practice, sell your game on Steam and on another store at a lower price. That’s anticompetitive. Downvote me if you want. But I recommend reading the transcripts from the Wolfire Games antitrust lawsuit against Valve before you do! They’re not a good look for Valve to say the least.

> Valve takes 30%. You can’t, in practice, sell your game on Steam and on another store at a lower price.

Note the use of ‘store’ here. You can sell your game on your own website for a lower price.

One example is Factorio, that is cheaper on factorio.com than it is on Steam, Gog, or Humble. Steam, Gog, and Humble all sell at the same price, however.

Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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I might be missing the point of the author, but what's the difference between Steam Deck and a normal Windows gaming laptop in terms of software freedom?

Wouldn't you have more software freedom on Windows? Because you can run both Windows and Linux software (via WSL2).

I use macOS, Windows and Linux daily. They are all pretty open to installing and running your own software. And all of them have some sort of security measures that prevent you from running arbitrary apps unless you close some scary warnings or bypass it with some flags.

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