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Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by noufalibrahim »

herbst wrote: post #206
roflmaostc wrote: post #195

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I changed recently from X1 Yoga Gen 2 to X1 Yoga (2-in-1) Gen 9. The decline in quality is so clearly visible, the external pen is poorly designed and died after 6 months. The hinges are as loose as in a 600$ laptop. The whole thing makes cracking noises under slight stress. Also, Linux compatibility is poor, my Webcam still does not work. Battery lifetime is a joke too. Lenovo made this Laptop worse than 7 years ago…

To be fair yoga models always had issues, never fully Linux compatible and never had a long lifetime. Not sure what this series is supposed to be, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Yeah. I never really even considered Lenovo's new additions to the ThinkPad line. I focused on the machines that were continued from the original THinkpad series (T, R and X).

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by AlecSchueler »

octygen wrote: post #183
AlecSchueler wrote: post #178

My daily driver is an x200 upgraded to 4gb of RAM. It runs as well as it ever did except the web has become slower and slower in that everything became an app. Things like GMail and YouTube are slow but honestly still fine, and in the worst case scenario I can jump onto my phone. My main use these days is recording and mixing music through an interface from 2014. With Reaper the experience is even better than when I…

Its funny you say thay it's the browser slowing you down on your PC. I have an MBP from 2011 and the browser (Safari) is the only thing it can still run extremely well.

The latest browser itself runs fine as well as most old school websites like Hacker News, it's only the "web apps" that run slowly.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by svilen_dobrev »

Well, next to a x220 from 2012, sits my eee-pc 701, from 2008. With no-moving-parts-inside, and "huge" soldered 4Gb ssdisk with arch-32bit. Been around the world (literally), a few times. The touchpad buttons started falling few years ago. i keep putting them back. Rarely used nowadays - but battery still holds about hour+ .. Well made tiny machine.

i guess i am a hoarder? Hate to throw away useful working things..

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by M95D »

Tade0 wrote: post #233
M95D wrote: post #224

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Let me say from the start that I only saw Framework laptops in pictures and I still have my old Lenovo X60 Tablet. I hate Framework laptops' design. They went to the extreme of repairability but only as a marketing tool, while the products are still e-waste trash. I looked at Framework 13 laptop as a replacement for my X60 Tablet. Let me do a comparison between them: - FW13 battery swap needs dissasembly. Can't do it…

- FW13 has no video output, except as a USB adapter - FW13 has no audio outputs, except as USB sound card That was a conscious design decision, as you're supposed to use swappable expansion cards. Other things X60T has, but FW13 doesn't: - Fingerprint reader https://frame.work/pl/en/products/fingerprint-reader-kit?v=F... - SD card slot https://frame.work/pl/en/products/sd-expansion-card

> - Fingerprint reader

My mistake.

> That was a conscious design decision, as you're supposed to use swappable expansion cards.

> - SD card slot

Like I said. The laptop itself is very basic (crippleware by Lenovo standards). You have to use USB ports for everything, there are only 3 usable, and also mechanically very weak, not to mention performance, heat inside a closed plastic case, cost, etc.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by anymouse123456 »

I'm running a Lenovo Thinkpad, X1 Carbon from a year or so ago and it is, by far, the best Linux Laptop I've ever owned.

Unlike the 4 or so Dell (and Asus) laptops (that came with Linux preinstalled) that preceded this one, it can simultaneously support:

* Bluetooth. Yay!

* Wifi. Yay!

* Sleeps when the lid closes. Yay!

* Stays asleep when in my bag. Yay!

It's also reasonably fast and decently capable, but the not-trying-to-commit-heat-death-suicide-in-my-bag and supporting BOTH Wifi AND Bluetooth at the same time are really the biggest features.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by rmnclmnt »

dmwilcox wrote: post #198
rmnclmnt wrote: post #61

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Agreed. Brought back to life my MBP 2015 last summer (battery replacement, keyboard replacement, thermal paste, etc) and thanks to OpenCore Legacy Patcher, now running latest MacOS versions ensuring at least 3 years more of security patches. Also these machines run Linux and Windows pretty fine

Wow! Just discovered OpenCore Legacy Patcher! My wife's ten year old Macbook Air can get updates!! Thank you for the tip this will help a lot since it is not the "year of the Linux desktop" for her. :)

Try to give it a shot first on a dedicated partition if you can, then make the switch (IME, I used the old SSD drive for that, then used the 1TB one for daily usage with OCLP). Pretty smooth for most users apparently. Good luck, keep repairing and maintaining old electronics!

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by thenthenthen »

svilen_dobrev wrote: post #253

Well, next to a x220 from 2012, sits my eee-pc 701, from 2008. With no-moving-parts-inside, and "huge" soldered 4Gb ssdisk with arch-32bit. Been around the world (literally), a few times. The touchpad buttons started falling few years ago. i keep putting them back. Rarely used nowadays - but battery still holds about hour+ .. Well made tiny machine. i guess i am a hoarder? Hate to throw away useful working things..

Similar setup here + 12 year old MacbookPro + 10 year old tower case pc. I recently got a M1 to test out some of the apple ai stuff (translation, it is broken on my intel mbp some how) but I doubt this m1 will outlive my eeepc/x220/mbp.

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Post by vman81 »

xnorswap wrote: post #130
shoo wrote: post #127

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> enough Thinkpads on Earth to probably stretch end-to-end around the moon and back LD, average distance between Earth and Moon = 384,399,000 m [1] C = circumference of moon = 10,917,000 m R := approximate round trip distance = 2LD + 0.5*C = 774,256,500 m n = total number of thinkpads on earth Alas, T / R, the ratio of total thinkpad distance T to our lunar round trip distance R, is at most about 0.11 . This is with…

It won't get you to the moon, but you can squeeze out a little more distance by arranging them corner to corner.

Corner to corner with their hinge opened to 180°

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by nrp »

piokoch wrote: post #189
CursedSilicon wrote: post #6

I wish that Framework could attain the same lofty levels of "second hand market success" that ThinkPads enjoy. A lot of the "Thinkpad fans" I've talked to genuinely want them, or respect them for similar reasons they enjoy the ThinkPad legacy. ThinkPads are durable but every day they get older, slower and more difficult to source parts for as collectors entrench themselves and the requirements of operating systems (a…

I am not sure what is so fascinating about Framework laptops. They are pretty expensive and are, in fact, one more Chinese OEM production - they are produced by Taiwanese Compal Electronics, which has factory in Kunshan (China). It is hard to build a legend around something like this. MacBooks are produced in China too (as everything), but they have that "legacy" of being a cult product from U.S.A.

We manufacture in Taiwan, not China, and the design is ours, not Compal’s.
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