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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, but as with many founding principles of the US, they don't always live up to them. I mean, Thomas Jefferson said it was self-evident that every man was created equal and had the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet he kept people as property in slavery. That just about sums up American theory vs practice. Same with the legal system: plenty of innocent people have been executed despite it be…

To be fair to Jefferson, he supported the eventual emancipation of slaves and the end of slavery, was strongly opposed to the international slave trade (he banned it) and freed some slaves. His stated reason for not doing more sooner was that he thought it would bring about immense unrest. And of course it did, in the end. The bloodiest war in American history.

> His stated reason for not doing more sooner was that he thought it would bring about immense unrest.

What a ridiculous reason in hindsight, huh? "Yes, the inevitable reconciliation of our gross injustices against fellow man will be fixed one day. But not now, because I like the comfort of the status quo and would prefer white people not die for a principled cause."

To say nothing of his own slaves, this fickleness of leadership is not what American politics should aspire to.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #121

The headline only tells half the story. This guy had previously been scheduled for deportation due to sufficient evidence that linked him to MS-13. It was an administrative error that he was deported to the wrong country. Here’s a link to the court case: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-...

The man was (at this particular moment) protected from being deported, the deportation was completely unlawful. And if you care to read court fillings the proof of the man being gang member is: - Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie. - A confidential informant claimed he was an active member of MS-13 with the "Westerns" clique (which operates in New York, where Garcia never lived).

Except he was here illegally. So that protection was meaningless.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to Jefferson, he supported the eventual emancipation of slaves and the end of slavery, was strongly opposed to the international slave trade (he banned it) and freed some slaves. His stated reason for not doing more sooner was that he thought it would bring about immense unrest. And of course it did, in the end. The bloodiest war in American history.

Did he free his slaves? I thought he didn't. Washington did free some of his slaves when he died. Still not all, though. Imagine if these two political powerhouses had freed all the slaves, as their words suggested they should. US history would have looked very differently. No, I don't think supporting "eventual" emancipation is good enough if you don't do anything to actually bring it about.

The most brutal part of slavery was the international slave trade which he banned. I don't think he did nothing.

You have to understand a man's actions in the context of his time.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he free his slaves? I thought he didn't. Washington did free some of his slaves when he died. Still not all, though. Imagine if these two political powerhouses had freed all the slaves, as their words suggested they should. US history would have looked very differently. No, I don't think supporting "eventual" emancipation is good enough if you don't do anything to actually bring it about.

The most brutal part of slavery was the international slave trade which he banned. I don't think he did nothing. You have to understand a man's actions in the context of his time.

Jefferson was called a hypocrite and a coward in his time, though.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#166
post #9

Implement Lex Talionis for gross misconduct in public office. Did an official, through gross negligence, cause irreparable harm to innocents? Mete the same harm upon them; then empathy may stop being a weakness. /s, but I became less sure of it as I typed.

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