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Post by caseyy »

lxgr wrote: post #17
caseyy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A UK High Court ruled in 2019 that websites like TuneIn are distributing illegal music[0]. It went to appeals but the previous ruling was upheld. There hasn't been much clarification beyond that nor very clear enforcement. But the precedent this ruling set makes companies fear repercussions if they accidentally link to a stream that has content not licensed for the UK. To interpret this ruling broadly would be to bre…

Wow, truly bizarre. And TuneIn and Radio Garden don't even host any streams, to my knowledge; they're mere directories!

It is rather awkward that the US right-holders chose to sue TuneIn in the UK, rather than US radio broadcasters that stream online without appropriate licenses. However, TuneIn was profiting from the premium subscriptions relating to content they knew didn't pass muster legally, and their service foundational was based on such content. There are certainly many things to be said about it. But unfortunately the debate is already settled by the appeals court in the UK.

Overall, the UK TuneIn service was valuable to the public. And it is an example of such value being destroyed by copyright laws. This is yet another topic that many people have said much on.

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Post by lxgr »

caseyy wrote: post #21
lxgr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, truly bizarre. And TuneIn and Radio Garden don't even host any streams, to my knowledge; they're mere directories!

It is rather awkward that the US right-holders chose to sue TuneIn in the UK, rather than US radio broadcasters that stream online without appropriate licenses. However, TuneIn was profiting from the premium subscriptions relating to content they knew didn't pass muster legally, and their service foundational was based on such content. There are certainly many things to be said about it. But unfortunately the debate…

> Overall, the UK TuneIn service was valuable to the public.

I agree about stream directory services in general, but I'm a bit on the fence about TuneIn in particular.

It started out very useful, especially as the de facto backbone for Google Home devices – I believe they back or at least used to back "Hey Google, play ".

But lately they started playing "pre-roll ads", and I think lately even playing ads over the live content, and I'm not entirely sure if they even share the revenue of those, or of premium subscriptions that avoid ads, with the underlying radio stations.

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#23

Post by crazygringo »

lxgr wrote: post #10
forks wrote: post #3

One of those things that's so cool it's hard to believe it's legal

Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just like web radio streams! That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster) was showing a static image of “this programme is currently unavailable for legal reasons”. (I believe they do IP-based geofencing for legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)

Yeah, just because a channel is public broadcast doesn't mean some of the content it shows hasn't been commercially produced, and a license purchased for that country's geographical area only.

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Post by mcflubbins »

Checks out.

Clicked on a channel in the Philippines and immediately had to sit through 5 soap related commercials, precisely what I recall from my time there.

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Post by thakoppno »

crazygringo wrote: post #23
lxgr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just like web radio streams! That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster) was showing a static image of “this programme is currently unavailable for legal reasons”. (I believe they do IP-based geofencing for legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)

Yeah, just because a channel is public broadcast doesn't mean some of the content it shows hasn't been commercially produced, and a license purchased for that country's geographical area only.

NFL season will likely stamp out the CBS and FOX streams in the US.

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Post by reddalo »

crazygringo wrote: post #23
lxgr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just like web radio streams! That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster) was showing a static image of “this programme is currently unavailable for legal reasons”. (I believe they do IP-based geofencing for legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)

Yeah, just because a channel is public broadcast doesn't mean some of the content it shows hasn't been commercially produced, and a license purchased for that country's geographical area only.

I've tried watching some Italian TV channels, and some content was not available for streaming. It's a common practice here. It also applies to satellite-transmitted channels, they usually don't have the license to show some movies on that version (you can only see them on the terrestrial signal).

Re: TV Garden

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Post by mcflubbins »

lxgr wrote: post #10
forks wrote: post #3

One of those things that's so cool it's hard to believe it's legal

Why not? Public broadcast TV stations want to be viewed, just like web radio streams! That said, the first one I tried (a German public broadcaster) was showing a static image of “this programme is currently unavailable for legal reasons”. (I believe they do IP-based geofencing for legal/broadcasting rights reasons.)

You can watch NHK World from anywhere, they make it available on their website: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/

They show the news at the top of every hour so we check in pretty regularly.

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