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Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

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Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

#51
I decided a while ago to stop reading Wired, after some ridiculous piece of hack journalism I can't even remember now. This makes me want to stop reading Wired again, but I can't do it twice.

This is like Sony all over again. I've been boycotting them for the past few years, and they just keep doing things that make me want to boycott them. When will someone invent the double boycott?

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

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I still remember when Wired was relevant. You know, back in the 90s, before they declared the web dead for the first time.

You mean the Wired who has been getting tons of press for their reporting on the Apple iCloud debacle last weekend? That irrelevant Wired?

Well, maybe not irrelevant but way more less relevant than it was. Back then it was something I read regularly. But now it's the place where I go to on lazy days when there's no other action on the internet and I'm too procrastinate-y to code :)

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

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Yes the complaints are more common than the occurrence (I think that's pretty normal, though), but the occurrence isn't uncommon. Back in my reddit days I was accused of anti-semitism merely for saying that creating Israel at that particular location was a mistake. Was that a real person? A false flag troll? Who knows. I've also read accounts by Jewish people whose family members called them "self-hating Jews" becaus…

Reddit's users have always struck me as fantastically antisemitic. I think a lot of them do it for shock laughs, but the genuine article is present as well. Saying Israel shouldn't have been born in that location isn't the same thing as saying Israel shouldn't exist, but Israel is the only country whose mere existence seems to require justification. Framing Israel's political problems as if they can be easily solved…

but this is how conversations about what should have happened instead are perceived by us Jews.

Not all of them.

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's users have always struck me as fantastically antisemitic. I think a lot of them do it for shock laughs, but the genuine article is present as well. Saying Israel shouldn't have been born in that location isn't the same thing as saying Israel shouldn't exist, but Israel is the only country whose mere existence seems to require justification. Framing Israel's political problems as if they can be easily solved…

but this is how conversations about what should have happened instead are perceived by us Jews. Not all of them.

I feel like that fine print was implied, but yes.

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

#58

I decided a while ago to stop reading Wired, after some ridiculous piece of hack journalism I can't even remember now. This makes me want to stop reading Wired again, but I can't do it twice. This is like Sony all over again. I've been boycotting them for the past few years, and they just keep doing things that make me want to boycott them . When will someone invent the double boycott?

Dunno, but I've all too often had a Clayton's boycott - the boycott you have when you aren't having a boycott. Perhaps we could email each other to exchange ideas?

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the complaints are more common than the occurrence (I think that's pretty normal, though), but the occurrence isn't uncommon. Back in my reddit days I was accused of anti-semitism merely for saying that creating Israel at that particular location was a mistake. Was that a real person? A false flag troll? Who knows. I've also read accounts by Jewish people whose family members called them "self-hating Jews" becaus…

Reddit's users have always struck me as fantastically antisemitic. I think a lot of them do it for shock laughs, but the genuine article is present as well. Saying Israel shouldn't have been born in that location isn't the same thing as saying Israel shouldn't exist, but Israel is the only country whose mere existence seems to require justification. Framing Israel's political problems as if they can be easily solved…

It's in the interests of Zionists to conflate "Jewish" and "Israeli" with "Zionist," then react to anti-Zionist sentiment as if it was anti-semitism.

Re: Responding to Wired's ad hominem hatchet job

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Do you actually believe that calling someone a sexist (however 'careless' it might be) is an attack on the male gender as a whole? Really? Try swapping sexism with homophobia or racism, and see how ridiculous you sound. (Note: I agree with your first assertion.) First, throwing the term 'racist' around carelessly undermines genuine claims of racism. Second, it attempts to not only target an individual as racist, but…

> Do you actually believe that calling someone a sexist (however 'careless' it might be) is an attack on the male gender as a whole Keyword being 'often' not 'always', and it's usually particular to the male/female gender issue rather than all majorities/minorities. In particular, if you read the article you'll see that both the critic who claimed sexism and the woman being critiqued throw the term "boy's clubs" abou…

> Right, which makes it all the more important to ensure that when racism/sexism claims are made, they are made legitimately and not casually, lest they be used as examples to dismiss, or ignore, genuine issues.

Too frequently this line of argumentation is inflated and used to attack even legitimate claims of sexism/racism -- they can be used inappropriately turns into they are being used inappropriately halfway through the argument, and the entire point slides unchallenged.

> someone using a social smear tactic will make an appeal to the wider issue (e.g. "x is a horrible sexist, and we all know how bad those boys clubs are") to solicit agreement and rapport, thus strengthening their attack.

Exactly. Consider that this is easier and more powerful in the reverse direction from a majority/empowered group to a minority/under-powered group.

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