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Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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I hear so many horror stories in the sciences, I have no idea why anyone would pursue an academic career in it.

Well in the industry you have the weekly JIRA humiliation rituals, bad things are everywhere

What's this a reference to? Not familiar with JIRA humiliation rituals.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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> Should they expect a good performance evaluation? They should expect that particular incident to not affect their performance evaluation, since it was very much not their fault. In your hypothetical scenario, your hypothetical junior engineer went to the senior engineer repeatedly for advice, and the senior engineer did not do their job properly: The lab tech was unhelpful, insisting that it must be something with…

> They should expect that particular incident to not affect their performance evaluation, since it was very much not their fault. What do you mean not their fault? I've seen wrong parts delivered by suppliers, so yes responsibility of an engineer who puts together a circuit is definitely checking that the parts are correct. > In your hypothetical scenario, your hypothetical junior engineer went to the senior engineer…

> What do you mean not their fault? I've seen wrong parts delivered by suppliers, so yes responsibility of an engineer who puts together a circuit is definitely checking that the parts are correct.

A student is far from an engineer.

> Again _never_ the equipment's fault?

The exact words the failed mentor used are not what matters here.

> In my experience this does not get accepted in industry.

This being the entire situation or the actions of the improperly used junior employee? Blaming the non-expert that was refused help is scapegoating.

> Simply saying "it wasn't my fault because I had a wrong part" shouldn't just give you an A.

It should give you more time.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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That is enraging. I've seen similar things happen too and it blows my mind how ridiculous some of these teachers can be. I don't know if it's dehumanization of their students in their minds or an utter unwillingness to devote 30 seconds of directed attention to understanding the situation and making a reasonable judgment, but whatever the cause it is prolific. The only thing worse is when one of them will add somethi…

The flip side of this is from the professor's perspective: some undergrad in every class will lie their ass off about why their assignment was delayed. Unfortunately, this reality produces no good options if you think someone is telling the truth: (1) make an exception, and be unfair to the rest of the class or (2) don't make an exception, and perpetuate unfairness for the impacted student.

That's fair, but in this case it should be pretty easy to verify if the person is lying. The claim is highly reproducible and the instructor wouldn't even have to do it.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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If you like watching right-wing educational propaganda, sure.

So wait, so you've decided a film by the director of An Inconvenient Truth, that was praised by everybody from Bill Gates to Oprah, has won awards and gotten a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes is "right wing propaganda"? You may want to recalibrate you sense of where the center is.

It's a pro-school-choice anti-teachers union film. Make what you will of that.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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Try faking your data next time, dude! You will be famous for some time. Do you even know how hard it is to make data points that seem natural but follow some clear pattern you want it to follow? I spent a good half of a day looking for that proper inverse formula.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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What I don't understand is why it took you 8 weeks to distinguish a timer from a transistor. That doesn't make your professor's reaction alright, I just find it puzzling.

That would be like exposing a first year CS student to a situation where "it could be a compiler bug" is one of the potential explanations.

It's closer to exposing a first year CS student who has never touched a computer before to Windows, when the work is supposed to be done on Linux, and the TA is hemming and hawing, and insists that the reason the sudo command isn't working is because the student is not following the steps correctly.

It's a problem that's obvious to diagnose... If you already have passing familiarity with the material. Most people do not have passing familiarity with electronic components when they step into an engineering program.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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As bad as the prior story is, I don't know if intentionally misleading the students is the right way either— what if one had realized the contamination and acting in good faith had cleaned out the bottle? What if they did this afterward and ended up redoing the experiment only to be told they had cheated? I'm all for exposing students to something unknown, but telling them they're doing X when it's really Y for anyth…

Given that a report is supposed to tell what you did and then your calculations and conclusions, you'd better include something as dramatic as “we washed the equipment after getting the wrong results and detecting contamination”…

If you detect it and think it's relevant, that might be worth a note. But "reset and start over" is something that could reasonably be thought of as outside the scope of the report. You're reporting on the experiment, not logging your entire time in the lab.

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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Well in the industry you have the weekly JIRA humiliation rituals, bad things are everywhere

What's this a reference to? Not familiar with JIRA humiliation rituals.

Scrum/Kanban ceremonies with assigning points to tasks etc. GP is being melodramatic

Re: Electron band structure in germanium, my ass (2001)

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I was in honors freshman chemistry at university. Tough class, all homework (lots of it) graded rigorously, but only the midterm and final counted toward the course grade. So if you wanted an A you had to get an A on both exams. After midterm, during every other lecture at least, the professor would sound a refrain: “An orbital is not a house! An electron does not live in a house!” Final exam had a small number of co…

Yeah? What "life lesson" does the dean think you're going to learn from that? That authority figures cannot be trusted because they will hurt you with bureaucratic stupidity. Does the dean, as an authority figure, really want that to be the lesson you learn?

That sometimes you can do everything right and still lose.
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