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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#111

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

Convict employers of workers not allowed to work legally and people will self deport. Oh but that would convict the wrong sort of criminal. We don't go after the criminals that exploit an underclass, that hire illegals so they can avoid paying into social security, that hire illegals so they can pay under required wages, that hire illegals so that they can exploit them all kinds of ways. Instead you propose we deny due process to gay barbers and send them to overseas concentration camps as step one (ignoring the administration can't even fill the first batch of a few hundred out of tens of thousands of claimed 'gangbangers' with actual criminals).

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#112
post #84

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

> Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death. This is a scale thing though right? You'll have some false convictions if you want a justice system. Nothing is perfect, breakage inevitable. Nobody wants to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice themselves, but everyone wants crime to be dealt with effectively. The trade offs are real and I suspect the average p…

"You'll have some false convictions if you want a justice system. Nothing is perfect, breakage inevitable."

Perhaps this is an assumption you are making which is not true.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#113

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

> Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe.

No - you explain why you need to do this within any timeframe

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#114

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If it's so important to get done quickly, hire more people to do it. Move resources to solve the most pressing problems first. Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes.

>Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes. Once again I agree with you. Let's deport them first and make remote immigration courts in every US embassy. This way they have remedy for false positives, and let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes

This is not rational or intellectually honest - not the discourse I expect on hn

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#115
post #59

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And how long will it take to process the illegal Immigration of all the Europeans that entered the American continent 300 years ago..?

We were conquerors. Vae Victis.

> We were conquerors

Stolen valor

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#116

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But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please? (you answered above: Papers Please it is.)

What is wrong with papers please?

If you don't know the connotations of the most basic idioms of history, perhaps you should move on to another thread.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#117

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#118

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

#119
post #70

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>Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes. Once again I agree with you. Let's deport them first and make remote immigration courts in every US embassy. This way they have remedy for false positives, and let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes

Sending them to a prison you don't return from isn't a deportation.

With most of them being sent to a totally unrelated country, to boot.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #32

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Guantanamo Bay is the real bipartisan moral stain here. It was set up exactly to cause this kind of situation, for the extralegal punishment of people deemed to be terrorists. People claim that Obama "couldn't" close it, but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there.

>but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there You're assuming the system would have been as compliant with Obama as they are with Trump, but I doubt that would have been the case. Congress passed a law to make it illegal for Obama to close Gitmo and simply refused to allow it, but their hands are my…

It was just 10 years ago too... To me, that underscores is how much of the current situation is bad-faith cultism.
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