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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by llm_nerd »

Of course they can get him back. If you've looked on Twitter at the account of the president of El Salvador, the guy is a lickspittle fanboy of Trump and Musk and is absolutely desperate to have their attention. If they tell him to jump he'll ask how high and thank them for the command.

I mean, he's running a slave prison for human trafficking victims charged with no crime and given no process, surrounded by such pathetic theatre it is banana republic levels of farce, so ultimately he should be captured by the ICC, and it will likely end up there.

What the government means is that they don't want to get him back.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by catlover76 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #48
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #19

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

One of the fundamental tenets of the US legal system (and, at one time, its culture) is that rights like due process are more important than helping facilitate the government's will at scale.

The one place this has been debased and eroded has been NatSec, and that's part of why the government wants to use that justification for its immigration enforcement.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by mcphage »

Gasser8 wrote: post #82
mcphage wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard that, too.

[flagged]

> Your grandchildren deserve to not have to live with Kilmar Garcia's grandchildren.

Actually my grandchildren deserve to not have to live with your grandchildren.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by maxerickson »

ReptileMan wrote: post #48
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #19

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.

Just scale the system as needed.

If the idea is that we are deporting people that are here illegally, it shouldn't be controversial to require some degree of evidence and a brief examination of that evidence by someone not immediately connected to gathering it, and some kind of oversight structure.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by jfengel »

mcv wrote: post #16
Terr_ wrote: post #6

> The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release. That's evil and stupid. By that twisted logic, the President can ship all the gold in Fort Knox to a Russian bank under his own name, and US courts "won't have jurisdiction" to rule that it must be returned.

That's also how the US used to justify torture in Guantanamo Bay. It wasn't US soil, so the prisoners there didn't have the rights and protections that US law and constitution would otherwise give them.

At least in El Salvador, he's got access to the (notoriously crappy) Salvadorian courts, and the protections granted by the Salvadorian constitution. It's not much, but it's something.

Camp X-Ray was specifically designed to be nobody's jurisdiction. They have nothing.

That is utterly shameful. It brings back reminders of our slave-owning past, where human beings were deprived even of the ownership of their own bodies.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by SauciestGNU »

ReptileMan wrote: post #80
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please? (you answered above: Papers Please it is.)

What is wrong with papers please?

It's an affront to the values America was founded on, and an insult to the Allies who died fighting the Nazis to stop behavior like this

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by SauciestGNU »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #67
namaria wrote: post #34

> ICE maintains that a confidential informant told the agency the man was a member of MS-13 Well this is horrifying.

There are growing numbers of informants, admittedly though these are off-current-topic: Canary Mission: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts... Betar US: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/25/what-is-betar-us-th... It's a low bar, just so long as you're informing on a group that's not in lock-step with Trump's agenda.

Canary and Betar need to be held socially and legally responsible for the harms they are causing. And if they do have links to Israeli intelligence, they should be criminally tried for espionage and violating FARA.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by ouilala »

ReptileMan wrote: post #65
pjc50 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 15-30 million hearings What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported? How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process? (fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights…

He shows his id and they say sorry to disturb you sir.

And that's how we see the USA devolve into a third world shithole. In a proper system the cops should serve and fear the populace. In third world shiteholes, people fear the cops. I should be asking the government why you need any data at all from me? They need to give me a good reason to invade my privacy and I should be able to say fuck off if the reason is not sufficient. In fact I should be able to ask the cop for his id, for him to unlock his phone for him to give away his passwords, for me to strip search him.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by ouilala »

ReptileMan wrote: post #80
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please? (you answered above: Papers Please it is.)

What is wrong with papers please?

Nothing wrong with it. In fact I should be able to see the papers of the ICE agent, to unlock his phone, to strip search him and detain him if necessary until I find he isn't a terrorist; and if found to be a threat, neutralize him by whatever means necessary. Why not, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't believe in special rights for certain groups. If he can search me, I can search him too.
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