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Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every "Directions for improvement" statement could be replaced with "Do it how the iPhone does it" and still basically be saying the same thing. Some example "Directions for improvement" statements: * Phone: Need to modify the call end button on the call screen so that it is a separate large button * Calendar: The date displayed on the Calendar icon should match the current date on the phone * Calendar: Need t…

As a Samsung engineer I would think "they want us to stop making crap and learn from the iPhone". These are all cases where the iPhone basically does it the Right Way. For every issue they explain why the iPhone does it well and the S1 not. To me it doesn't read like they want to copy the iPhone, but rather like they want to make it right (by copying the iPhone). Important distinction. This is consistent with their l…

The intuitiveness is why Apple makes great products. That takes time and money to do right. Everything looks obvious and simple in hindsight. This really makes me question my stance on software patents.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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Wow. This document illustrates exactly why design and attention to detail matters. In absolutely every comparison the iPhone just makes sense and works and the S1 has some kind of clumsiness. Very impressive, Apple.

Almost every "Directions for improvement" statement could be replaced with "Do it how the iPhone does it" and still basically be saying the same thing. Some example "Directions for improvement" statements: * Phone: Need to modify the call end button on the call screen so that it is a separate large button * Calendar: The date displayed on the Calendar icon should match the current date on the phone * Calendar: Need t…

A note of caution, this is a translated document. I have no experience with Korean but in Mandarin and Japanese a LOT of subtleties are lost when translated.

That said, you're probably right and it probably is a pretty accurate representation of how bluntly they wanted to grok the iPhone.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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Wow. This document illustrates exactly why design and attention to detail matters. In absolutely every comparison the iPhone just makes sense and works and the S1 has some kind of clumsiness. Very impressive, Apple.

No! The document shows the areas where Samsung believes there to be room for improvement. This document does not mean that "in absolutely every comparison" the iPhone finishes first.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Samsung engineer I would think "they want us to stop making crap and learn from the iPhone". These are all cases where the iPhone basically does it the Right Way. For every issue they explain why the iPhone does it well and the S1 not. To me it doesn't read like they want to copy the iPhone, but rather like they want to make it right (by copying the iPhone). Important distinction. This is consistent with their l…

The intuitiveness is why Apple makes great products. That takes time and money to do right. Everything looks obvious and simple in hindsight. This really makes me question my stance on software patents.

Then it must also make you question your stance on recipe patents, fashion patents, and screenplay patents.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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Wow. This document illustrates exactly why design and attention to detail matters. In absolutely every comparison the iPhone just makes sense and works and the S1 has some kind of clumsiness. Very impressive, Apple.

Some of the examples are so poorly executed (on Samsung's side) that I can't think of any possible explanation for them beyond pure laziness. For example:

   1. Landscape mode is only supported in Memo and Calculator when rotating
      left, not when rotating right. 
   6. The buttons are cut off when the keyboard is visible.
  11. Pressing NEXT changes the font to lowercase. Huh?
  27. Long telephone numbers get cut off (instead of shrinking the font size
      to fit).
  36. Alarm settings buttons are cut off by the number pad.
None of these examples are particularly difficult to get right, as long as you have someone paying attention to basic UI design. What's amazing to me is that they actually shipped a product with these glaringly obvious deficiencies.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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IMO, Samsung has come a long way in smartphone market just because it copied or got inspired from one and only Apple. Few years back it was one among Nokia,RIM,HTC. Now, it has transformed/evolved itself Technologically and Aesthetically (see the power and design of S3)by looking at apple (i would say getting indirectly groomed by apple) and now as analyst Neil Shah puts it "Volumes have polarized around only these two brands".(http://mashable.com/2012/07/27/samsung-surpasses-iphone-ship...) So,it is time to pay back at least part of its profit share to Apple. And then, from now continue on its own innovations instead of Ctrl-C &Ctrl-V from Apple.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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IMO, Samsung has come a long way in smartphone market just because it copied or got inspired from one and only Apple. Few years back it was one among Nokia,RIM,HTC. Now, it has transformed/evolved itself Technologically and Aesthetically (see the power and design of S3)by looking at apple (i would say getting indirectly groomed by apple) and now as analyst Neil Shah puts it "Volumes have polarized around only these t…

yup, and basically Apple just did Copy/Paste/Polish from others, who in turn did Copy/Paste/Polish from others. And so on, and so on, back to the inventor of the portable phone. Now let's all pay him back.

Re: Samsung internal document evaluating the iPhone (translated)

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Wow. This document illustrates exactly why design and attention to detail matters. In absolutely every comparison the iPhone just makes sense and works and the S1 has some kind of clumsiness. Very impressive, Apple.

Double wow. This is a March 2010 document and the iPhone has already got copy and paste (was that iOS 3 or 4?). That means Samsung and Android had already been playing catch up for several years to get to this stage, this wasn't a comparison of their first prototype.

It is also disappointing that Samsung wasn't pointing out the iPhone and challenging their designers to do even better rather than trying to match Apple. Although maybe that happened later for the S2 and S3 development programmes.

Also without a good example to follow (although there were plenty of bad ones which probably all had some good parts) it is impressive how much Apple got right from the very beginning.

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