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Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

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I am going to continue to stan for dokku for hosting web apps, docker images included https://dokku.com/

Is that really self hosting though ? Self hosting to me is, at the very least having physical access to the machines.

I think GP miswrote; Dokku does not host, it manages containers and makes deployment easier. It's like a self-hosted Heroku.

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#33

I am actually worried about the self-hosting pandemic. We self-hosters will stop flying under the radar. Wonder how long it will take until our matrix instances require to be backdoored, our immich are scanning our pictures with AI. On an unrelated note, an article of how to rent a VPS in China would be interesting :)

Why would you rent a VPS in China?

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#34
post #11

My peace of mind comes from my self hosting in 2025 looking the same as my self-hosting in 2005 (except a move to systemd). I haven't even re-installed my workstation OS since 2006 or so.

I see a lot of people mention some technology under this submission that you do not even have to look at when you are self-hosting. It all depends what you want to self-host, from nginx, fcgiwrap (with certbot), to an e-mail server, or a Matrix instance, or Zulip, or what have you these days. I maintain quite many servers and I do not use these new and fancy technologies.

I'm just a boomer (technically a millennial) who sticks to Arch Linux even when it comes to servers, I have zero friction, really. I have no issues self-hosting whatever me or a client requires, keeping it minimal and functional.

I self-host like it is 2000 (apart from a couple of some more modern stuff, if you could consider systemd and certbot, etc. modern). :D

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#35

I am actually worried about the self-hosting pandemic. We self-hosters will stop flying under the radar. Wonder how long it will take until our matrix instances require to be backdoored, our immich are scanning our pictures with AI. On an unrelated note, an article of how to rent a VPS in China would be interesting :)

Isn't that the beauty of self hosting? How could anything be enforced on user-controlled servers? Practically everything self-hosted is open source and how would enforcing anything would even work?

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#36
post #10

Last thing I need is Kubernetes at home

I guess it can be comfortable for some people.

But I just wanted to comment something similar. It's probably heavily dependend on how many services you self-host, but I have 6 services on my VPS and they are just simple podman containers that I just run. Some of them automatically, some of them manually. On top of that a very simple nginx configuration (mostly just subdomains with reverse proxy) and that's it. I don't need an extra container for my nginx, I think (or is there a very good security reason? I have "nothing to hide" and/or lose, but still). My lazy brain thinks as long as I keep nginx up to date with my package manager and my certbot running, ill be fine

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#37

I am actually worried about the self-hosting pandemic. We self-hosters will stop flying under the radar. Wonder how long it will take until our matrix instances require to be backdoored, our immich are scanning our pictures with AI. On an unrelated note, an article of how to rent a VPS in China would be interesting :)

Matrix server backdoors aren't an issue though? It's about the client where decryption happens. If those aren't required to upload decrypted contents, you can always overlay some encryption protocol like OTR over any chat mechanism. I remember using it on MSN via Pidgin

Don't worry about the servers. Worry about mandated software on the client

Re: Self-Hosting like it's 2025

#38

I am actually worried about the self-hosting pandemic. We self-hosters will stop flying under the radar. Wonder how long it will take until our matrix instances require to be backdoored, our immich are scanning our pictures with AI. On an unrelated note, an article of how to rent a VPS in China would be interesting :)

Isn't that the beauty of self hosting? How could anything be enforced on user-controlled servers? Practically everything self-hosted is open source and how would enforcing anything would even work?

The problem lies with people who are technical enough to self-host, but might not be confident enough to fork/make changes. Maybe you could switch services, but there's still just enough friction/soft-lock in to actually migrate.

You are right though, it gives significantly more control to users. It's just realising 100% of the benefits that might be trickier.

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