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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #15

it's not an "accident" if you randomly round up people based on nothing, then exile them to a foreign slave prison, it was a deliberate series of steps to terrify these people and everyone else.

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That's... why there should be a due process with thorough checks before something like this happens - it might as well happen with tough checks, but up until now we've seen scenes of people being detained by masked officers not willing to identify or to explain the situation

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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> The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release. That's evil and stupid. By that twisted logic, the President can ship all the gold in Fort Knox to a Russian bank under his own name, and US courts "won't have jurisdiction" to rule that it must be returned.

That's also how the US used to justify torture in Guantanamo Bay. It wasn't US soil, so the prisoners there didn't have the rights and protections that US law and constitution would otherwise give them.

Even then I believe they avoided even transiting via US soil to maintain this thin figleaf of legal protection for torture.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #6

> The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release. That's evil and stupid. By that twisted logic, the President can ship all the gold in Fort Knox to a Russian bank under his own name, and US courts "won't have jurisdiction" to rule that it must be returned.

Not only that, but it's also inconsistent with the U.S. administration expecting non-US businesses to comply with executive orders even when operating in other countries [0]:

> An executive order that Mr. Trump signed the day after taking office instructs federal contractors not to engage in D.E.I., which the order described as “illegal discrimination.” The letter to French businesses said the order “applies to all suppliers and contractors of the U.S. government, regardless of their nationality and the country in which they operate.”

[0] https://apnews.com/article/french-companies-dei-letter-us-tr...

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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My first thought seeing this headline: "Please don't tell me he got sent to CECOT."

> Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) admitted to mistakenly sending Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador’s notoriously brutal CECOT prison.

:O

If you haven't heard of CECOT, go watch one of the recent YouTube videos on it. I'm glad that El Salvador has taken control over gang activity but, man, CECOT is one of the last places on earth you want to end up.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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It's not an accident if the government intentionally circumvents all checks that usually would apply to cases like this and denies them due process. It's also intentional that they send these people to a prison in a different country (and for most of them not the country they are originally from) with conditions that would certainly be illegal in the US itself. This is also about more than just this single case. From…

> with conditions that would certainly be illegal in the US itself.

Why would you assume this? We're also under investigation for human rights abuses in our prisons. AFAIK most of the rights you have as a prisoner are civil rights.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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post #15

it's not an "accident" if you randomly round up people based on nothing, then exile them to a foreign slave prison, it was a deliberate series of steps to terrify these people and everyone else.

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People have been advocating avoiding the word accident in traffic crashes exactly for this reason:

https://www.roadpeace.org/working-for-change/crash-not-accid...

> It’s a crash, not an accident. End the language of denial.

> I can’t help but get upset when people call a crash an accident. I lost my leg in a crash with a lorry. It was preventable – and even though the driver didn’t intend for the crash to happen, it was still his fault

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Trump admin looks closer and closer to nazi germany.

Please go read up what happened outside Krakow, Poland in the 1940s. I did. I actually visited. Trump is still very very far away from that. Assuming this man is innocent, we should rather blame El Salvador for actually imprisoning him.

Nazis came in power in 1933, not 1940. Give it time, MAGA has only been in power for 3 months. There's 4 more years (at least) of more and more unhinged Trumpisms to come.
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