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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by rbanffy »

pjc50 wrote: post #7
bananapub wrote: post #3

it's not an "accident" if you randomly round up people based on nothing, then exile them to a foreign slave prison, it was a deliberate series of steps to terrify these people and everyone else.

Yup. The whole setup is built around taking away legal recourse from people so they can be mistreated. It's Guantanamo squared. Also derived from the UK's failed Rwanda scheme (failed because they couldn't bypass the courts enough!), Windrush errors, and the Australian government's use of immigration detention on Nauru. Sooner or later it's going to happen to someone who's a full US national. (mind you this is going…

I don't think avoiding politics is much of an option.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by occamrazor »

lores wrote: post #9

Implement Lex Talionis for gross misconduct in public office. Did an official, through gross negligence, cause irreparable harm to innocents? Mete the same harm upon them; then empathy may stop being a weakness. /s, but I became less sure of it as I typed.

FYI: Lex, not Rex.

But a Rex Talionis is an interesting concept too.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by lores »

occamrazor wrote: post #12
lores wrote: post #9

Implement Lex Talionis for gross misconduct in public office. Did an official, through gross negligence, cause irreparable harm to innocents? Mete the same harm upon them; then empathy may stop being a weakness. /s, but I became less sure of it as I typed.

FYI: Lex, not Rex. But a Rex Talionis is an interesting concept too.

Oops, brain fart. Fixing it, thanks!

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by fabian2k »

It's not an accident if the government intentionally circumvents all checks that usually would apply to cases like this and denies them due process. It's also intentional that they send these people to a prison in a different country (and for most of them not the country they are originally from) with conditions that would certainly be illegal in the US itself.

This is also about more than just this single case. From the little we know so far it seems that being from Venezuela and having any kind of tattoo is sufficient to be targeted.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by mcv »

Terr_ wrote: post #6

> The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release. That's evil and stupid. By that twisted logic, the President can ship all the gold in Fort Knox to a Russian bank under his own name, and US courts "won't have jurisdiction" to rule that it must be returned.

That's also how the US used to justify torture in Guantanamo Bay. It wasn't US soil, so the prisoners there didn't have the rights and protections that US law and constitution would otherwise give them.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by fabian2k »

nroets wrote: post #15
bananapub wrote: post #3

it's not an "accident" if you randomly round up people based on nothing, then exile them to a foreign slave prison, it was a deliberate series of steps to terrify these people and everyone else.

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This is more like driving at very high speeds, closing your eyes and then being surprised you caused an accident. They are ignoring all the usual checks safety mechanisms and the legal rights of the people they are sending to a prison in El Salvador that would usually apply.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by nroets »

onemoresoop wrote: post #8

Trump admin looks closer and closer to nazi germany.

Please go read up what happened outside Krakow, Poland in the 1940s. I did. I actually visited.

Trump is still very very far away from that.

Assuming this man is innocent, we should rather blame El Salvador for actually imprisoning him.

Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power.

This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.

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