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Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by boxed »

mardifoufs wrote: post #264
dlubarov wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't believe that Jews were ethnically cleansed from Muslim countries? Considering Egypt for example, what else would we call the expulsion of 25,000 Jews? Morocco in particular didn't have an explicit state policy of ethnically cleansing Jews, but "treated badly" is a bit of an understatement, considering the pogroms and the government policy of essentially holding Jews for ransom.

Actually you are right, I was wrong about that. I was thinking about before Israel's foundation (as in, Jews lived in the Muslim worlds for a long time without ethnic cleansing). As for morocco, yes they were very much treated as worse than second class citizens. So yeah, I agree that Jews were basically pushed to leave, and at some point were just directly kicked out and cleansed out of a lot of Muslim countries. I…

I didn't say "just" ethnic cleansing. I said that ethnic cleansing is different from genocide. Because it is. We should be careful to use the correct words.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by cess11 »

dlubarov wrote: post #260
mardifoufs wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? I don't think it's the Muslim world that did the cleansing lol. At least in morocco most of the Jewish population left after Israel was founded, after the actual Holocaust in Europe . Not because of ethnic cleansing (though I agree they were treated badly, and I understand why they left). But according to you the ethnic cleansing of the Jews was okay because it somehow wasn't a genocide right? Otherwise why woul…

You don't believe that Jews were ethnically cleansed from Muslim countries? Considering Egypt for example, what else would we call the expulsion of 25,000 Jews? Morocco in particular didn't have an explicit state policy of ethnically cleansing Jews, but "treated badly" is a bit of an understatement, considering the pogroms and the government policy of essentially holding Jews for ransom.

This is such a weird and ahistorical view.

The jews in Egypt didn't have much problems with their neighbours until nazism and zionism arrived.

'The bad muslims mistreated the jews when they came under influence of german thought, typical muslims, a european would never'.

Jews lived in Morocco since the first century AD, with the exception of the Fez massacre in 1033, mainly in peace. It's where jews could find immediate refuge when the christians drove them out of al-Andalus. 1948 onwards there were anti-jewish riots in Morocco, in response to jews leaving to presumably take part in the zionist atrocities in Palestine and the state of Israel.

Today anti-jewish and anti-zionist sentiment in Morocco is typically tied into anti-monarchist views, the king is perceived to be a traitor and possibly controlled by some supposed jewish conspiracy. You'll find a rather clear expression of this in e.g. Ahmed Rami, the infamous exiled antisemite, who combines distinctly nazi antisemitism with a moroccan muslim nationalism.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by cess11 »

boxed wrote: post #281
mardifoufs wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually you are right, I was wrong about that. I was thinking about before Israel's foundation (as in, Jews lived in the Muslim worlds for a long time without ethnic cleansing). As for morocco, yes they were very much treated as worse than second class citizens. So yeah, I agree that Jews were basically pushed to leave, and at some point were just directly kicked out and cleansed out of a lot of Muslim countries. I…

I didn't say "just" ethnic cleansing. I said that ethnic cleansing is different from genocide. Because it is. We should be careful to use the correct words.

In the sense mass murder is different from genocide, sure. It can be an expression of a genocidal regime but in some case it might not be.

But since you refuse to explain why you want to make this distinction and how it applies to the treatment of the palestinians it doesn't seem like care, it seems more like you want to bikeshed.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by benzayb »

benzayb wrote: post #53

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“May Hegel's philosophy of absolute nonsense - three-fourths cash and one-fourth crazy fancies - continue to pass for unfathomable wisdom without anyone suggesting as an appropriate motto for his writings Shakespeare's words: "Such stuff as madmen tongue and brain not," or, as an emblematical vignette, the cuttle-fish with its ink-bag, creating a cloud of darkness around it to prevent people from seeing what it is, with the device: mea caligine tutus. - May each day bring us, as hitherto, new systems adapted for University purposes, entirely made up of words and phrases and in a learned jargon besides, which allows people to talk whole days without saying anything; and may these delights never be disturbed by the Arabian proverb: "I hear the clappering of the mill, but I see no flour." - For all this is in accordance with the age and must have its course.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays of Schopenhauer

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by Ozzie_osman »

lynx97 wrote: post #20
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #16

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It's more about how the US handled the situation in a country with 3% of the population and the impact of that on either marginal voters or voters for whom this was a major issue.

> how the US handled the situation in a country As if the US were responsible for the whole world. Hey Megalomania, nice to meet you.

In this case, it wasn't for lack of action. The US is actively funding one side's dominance and hindering others from helping the other side.

I think most people who are complaining about this are not expecting the US to be responsible for anything and would be pretty happy if the US just sat out.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by mardifoufs »

boxed wrote: post #281
mardifoufs wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually you are right, I was wrong about that. I was thinking about before Israel's foundation (as in, Jews lived in the Muslim worlds for a long time without ethnic cleansing). As for morocco, yes they were very much treated as worse than second class citizens. So yeah, I agree that Jews were basically pushed to leave, and at some point were just directly kicked out and cleansed out of a lot of Muslim countries. I…

I didn't say "just" ethnic cleansing. I said that ethnic cleansing is different from genocide. Because it is. We should be careful to use the correct words.

I mean you said that Israel is commiting an ethnic cleansing, and that you still support Israel. Or did I misread the comment?

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by damnitbuilds »

mardifoufs wrote: post #165
damnitbuilds wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supporting Muslim interests and also supporting women's rights and gay rights. No conflict of interests there.

The interests of the Muslim community in the US. Not of Islam in general.

So the Muslim community in the US have no relation to Islam in general.

Hmm..

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by damnitbuilds »

alabastervlog wrote: post #132
damnitbuilds wrote: post #115

History stopped being useful and became a meaningless recreation when it moved away from the fact that facts are absolute, not relative to the observer.

You're relying on something that's not a fact, to make this post.

The fact that people disagree with something does not make it false.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by myth_drannon »

cess11 wrote: post #282
dlubarov wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't believe that Jews were ethnically cleansed from Muslim countries? Considering Egypt for example, what else would we call the expulsion of 25,000 Jews? Morocco in particular didn't have an explicit state policy of ethnically cleansing Jews, but "treated badly" is a bit of an understatement, considering the pogroms and the government policy of essentially holding Jews for ransom.

This is such a weird and ahistorical view. The jews in Egypt didn't have much problems with their neighbours until nazism and zionism arrived. 'The bad muslims mistreated the jews when they came under influence of german thought, typical muslims, a european would never'. Jews lived in Morocco since the first century AD, with the exception of the Fez massacre in 1033, mainly in peace. It's where jews could find immedi…

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