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Re: Amazon introduces Nova Chat

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Post by atonse »

icu wrote: post #18

I don't really understand where this fits in the market? It's not as intelligent as the pack leaders and is about onpar with GPT-4o mini. When comparing it to GPT-4o mini further, while it is a bit faster, GPT-4o mini is a lot more cheaper [Source: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/nova-pro/providers ]. In terms of value for money, I would probably go with GPT-4o mini and not Nova Pro. Maybe Amazon feels that it n…

My guess is it's also about enterprise agreements.

For many larger enterprises, governments, etc, the barrier to trying these things is to pay for them (new contracts, RFPs, etc).

But all of them already have enterprise agreements with MS, Amazon, etc. So there must be some class of customers to whom it's easy to just add this to their AWS bill.

Re: Amazon introduces Nova Chat

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Post by ebiester »

arresin wrote: post #12
siva7 wrote: post #11

>> Amazon makes it easier for developers and tech enthusiasts to explore Amazon Nova Well, you don't. Can't find a simple way to try it out. Not that i expected anything else. The only thing saving AWS in the AI wave seems to be their deal with Anthropic.

If it’s anything like AWS then that makes sense. Why is the UI for all cloud providers absolutely dogshit? Has anyone written about this?

I have empathy for them. It's a complex product with many different use cases, so there is no one-best UI for anyone. Further, accommodating multiple skill levels is a genuinely hard problem.

That said, there is a larger problem: every team is incentivized to ship as fast as possible, and good UI takes time and consistency across every team. As a manager with a team that works closely with design systems, it's a brutally hard problem to get right and nobody wants to slow down in the design phase or have limitations placed on them for the purposes of consistency.

I could go on for pages, but https://www.youtube.com/@zeroheighthq has a design systems wtf podcast that has gone on far longer than me.

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Post by piltdownman »

lazystar wrote: post #19
weberer wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single time

GDPR is a double edged sword

GDPR is simply ahead of its time from an American perspective. Like Mobile Telephony in Europe when pagers were still a thing in the US.

In time the average american consumer will understand the monetary value of their PII and usage metadata and demand adequate protections - which effectively is all that GDPR does. Given the actions of the current cabinet, I feel we are in fact accelerating towards this inevitable outcome.

Re: Amazon introduces Nova Chat

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Post by casper14 »

atonse wrote: post #21
icu wrote: post #18

I don't really understand where this fits in the market? It's not as intelligent as the pack leaders and is about onpar with GPT-4o mini. When comparing it to GPT-4o mini further, while it is a bit faster, GPT-4o mini is a lot more cheaper [Source: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/nova-pro/providers ]. In terms of value for money, I would probably go with GPT-4o mini and not Nova Pro. Maybe Amazon feels that it n…

My guess is it's also about enterprise agreements. For many larger enterprises, governments, etc, the barrier to trying these things is to pay for them (new contracts, RFPs, etc). But all of them already have enterprise agreements with MS, Amazon, etc. So there must be some class of customers to whom it's easy to just add this to their AWS bill.

This is 100% it

Re: Amazon introduces Nova Chat

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Post by alach11 »

atonse wrote: post #21
icu wrote: post #18

I don't really understand where this fits in the market? It's not as intelligent as the pack leaders and is about onpar with GPT-4o mini. When comparing it to GPT-4o mini further, while it is a bit faster, GPT-4o mini is a lot more cheaper [Source: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/nova-pro/providers ]. In terms of value for money, I would probably go with GPT-4o mini and not Nova Pro. Maybe Amazon feels that it n…

My guess is it's also about enterprise agreements. For many larger enterprises, governments, etc, the barrier to trying these things is to pay for them (new contracts, RFPs, etc). But all of them already have enterprise agreements with MS, Amazon, etc. So there must be some class of customers to whom it's easy to just add this to their AWS bill.

These business can easily Anthropic models through AWS Bedrock. All it requires it a simple clickthrough EULA. That's what we do at the F500 non-tech company where I work. The same is true with OpenAI models in Azure.

I can't imagine AWS is going to get much usage of these models... but you have start somewhere I guess.

Re: Amazon introduces Nova Chat

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Post by placardloop »

atonse wrote: post #21
icu wrote: post #18

I don't really understand where this fits in the market? It's not as intelligent as the pack leaders and is about onpar with GPT-4o mini. When comparing it to GPT-4o mini further, while it is a bit faster, GPT-4o mini is a lot more cheaper [Source: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/nova-pro/providers ]. In terms of value for money, I would probably go with GPT-4o mini and not Nova Pro. Maybe Amazon feels that it n…

My guess is it's also about enterprise agreements. For many larger enterprises, governments, etc, the barrier to trying these things is to pay for them (new contracts, RFPs, etc). But all of them already have enterprise agreements with MS, Amazon, etc. So there must be some class of customers to whom it's easy to just add this to their AWS bill.

This isn’t an AWS product, it’s Amazon (the non-AWS side). I don’t think this has anything to do with AWS billing.

AWS already has Amazon Q, which is its chatbot offering for AWS customers.

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