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Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by code_for_monkey »

wormlord wrote: post #156
lynx97 wrote: post #28

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The left pretty much falls into the same trap all around the world. Its almost funny to watch when a leftist realises that immigrants are right-leaning. The typical reaction is to fall back to elitism and claim those immigrants must be stupid somehow.

I don't think you mean leftists you mean liberals. Leftists ostensibly have a materialist understanding of the world, not idealist. Of course many immigrants are right-wing, the US exported counter-revolution globally during the 20th century. I went to eat out at a Guatemalan restaurant the other day and they had a poster for a right-wing ultranationalist paramilitary group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mano_Blanca…

I would appreciate a broader examination of how this site politics function because no one here seems to understand the difference between liberals and leftists.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by code_for_monkey »

lynx97 wrote: post #38
dudefeliciano wrote: post #32

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Not stupid, just lacking class consciousness

I would love if the public discourse would allow for more diversity of opinions. Unfortunately, where I come from, the left has simplified the rhetoric to "If you are of a different opinion then we are, you are either badly educated (read, stupid) or a nazi." Unfortunately, this elitist attitude has only contributed to the divide of the people.

sure this sounds bad, but we also currently have, in the USA, and administration who deports student protestors and does Nazi salutes. Ive been hearing about how "oh, the left just calls us Nazis for any opinion that differs from them" and now they are in power doing Nazi salutes. They were Nazis the whole time. No one is getting called Nazi for their opinions on tax rebates.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by nozzlegear »

bilbo0s wrote: post #171
nozzlegear wrote: post #148

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I have no comment on what your professor said, but reading the replies here just confirms to me that cynicism, pessimism and doomerism are certainly the mood of the current zeitgeist. Optimistic outlooks are too often met with a kind of reflexive dismissal or despair in a "I feel like things are really bad right now, have never been this bad before, and thus can never improve" diatribe. There's a pervasive sense in o…

Meh. It's not really cynicism. It's just that people today only care about the next 20 or 30 years. They don't really care if, over the course of the next 200 years, two nations can rebuild from annihilating each other in a nuclear exchange. The nuclear exchange is a lot more pressing concern for them.

> rebuild from annihilating each other in a nuclear exchange. The nuclear exchange is a lot more pressing concern for them.

Maybe this was your intention or maybe not, but this is kinda what I'm talking about. It presupposes that there will be nuclear exchanges and annihilation in the first place, because, well, why wouldn't there be? Life is shit, tensions are high, and that's the grim dark end we all see coming anyway?

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by code_for_monkey »

righthand wrote: post #144
lynx97 wrote: post #38

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I would love if the public discourse would allow for more diversity of opinions. Unfortunately, where I come from, the left has simplified the rhetoric to "If you are of a different opinion then we are, you are either badly educated (read, stupid) or a nazi." Unfortunately, this elitist attitude has only contributed to the divide of the people.

Decades of name calling and refusing to compromise from the right and it’s the left with the bad attitude that’s dividing people?

people have absorbed so much american "the left is always evil and the right can do no wrong" propaganda they dont even realize it.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

MisterTea wrote: post #145
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #48

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This is, of course nonsense. The data is clear that Latinos vote majority Democrat, though it was a smaller majority in this election than the previous.

Citation needed. A lot of the Latinos I know in NYC voted Trump. A few were Democrat voters who grew tired of being insulted by Democrats who casually lump Latinos into a big "left loving Latino pool" when they are Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Chileans, Ecuadorians, etc; Individuals with distinct cultures and backgrounds. Latinos are also heavily religious which is very influential as well.

Just Google Latino voting 2024. This isn't hidden information.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by code_for_monkey »

suraci wrote: post #29
graemep wrote: post #18

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or the Uighur genocide, or many other mass murders around the world.

the Uighur genocide is the true genocide, it is happening in the real world with tons of pictures and videos as evidence the Palestinian genocide is a fake genocide, it is propaganda pushed by Chinese and Russian to make Israel and the US looks bad

is this sarcasm or irony?

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by code_for_monkey »

belter wrote: post #4
resurrected wrote: post #2

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> the genocide contributed to bringing Trump to power Only because folks who refused to vote for Kamala said they could not stand her support of Israel policies :-) Like poor voters in the Midwest, you can always count on a certain electorate, to vote against their own interests and what they care about...

this just the same shitty elitism that everyone hates. Oh those dumb midwesterns, they shouldve voted for our genocide.

Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by [deleted] »

davedx wrote: post #139
TeMPOraL wrote: post #80

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> There's a reason it's called a Culture War and not a Culture Mild Disagreement. Culture war at this point is more than a decade old. It did not start with Project 2025. It started on the Internet. Also, GP said people do not change all that much morally. That much is true. Organizations change fast. Societies change slower. The acted on rules are a combination of three, but it's important to be aware of the distinc…

I'm not sure that makes sense to me; how do society's moral rules change (slowly) but peoples' moral rules don't/change little? I mean I can think of some isolated examples like pirating video content, but generally a society's moral rules reflect its constituents; where else do those rules come from, if not its people?

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Re: Talkin’ about a Revolution

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Post by worldsayshi »

mola wrote: post #96
worldsayshi wrote: post #6

> frightened into rationality An oxymoron if I ever heard one. To become rational means letting go of fears (to a large extent). I fear that one reason we fail to act is that we are guided by fear. Fear makes us focus on the wrong things. And I fear that in a civilized society fear becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Fear makes us obsess about the problem and how to avoid it in the very narrow and short term. It does…

As I see it, Optimism is usually unrational but drives change and Fear kills optimism. Trust is not purely rational its emotional. Fear kills trust, making you more rational in the sense that you assume other players are rationally adversarial.

As I see it, pessimism is as "unrational" as optimism. There's a big span of uncertainty about the future that is filled by our intentions and beliefs. If we commit to a pessimistic worldview we are likely to make some decisions that lead towards such a world. If we commit to an optimistic worldview we are likely to get exploited by bad actors.

We have to be able to juggle both realities. That is rational.

(But I think we are essentially saying the same thing here.)

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